#46

And she directly suffered her own consequences.

You want to talk about what’s funny. Every person who wrongly assigns blame to and lashes out at Ava are being exactly like her when she screams ‘figure it out Lilith before you get someone else killed!’ It may have happened off screen, but at least she was able to grow out of that.

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#47

Having her grow past it off screen didn’t Give her the development she crucially needed. We could speculate that she did, or she’s just hiding it. Had we seen it on screen in a way that was similar to Tina accepting Roland’s death, it would have definitely eased some of the problems with her character.

It’s also why most agree that Ava being given Sanctuary after Lilith sacrifices herself fell completely out of left field and didn’t seem to add up considering that Ava, after you’re finished with Promethea, really didn’t do anything up until we killed Troy.

There is also a difference between shifting blame on others and accepting responsibility. No one doubted that Maya could handle herself, and just about everybody expected the twins to show up. But in the grand scheme of it all, Ava still appeared as a spanner in the works.

#48

I think it’s more likely that Maya couldn’t handle herself and her fans don’t want to admit she got beat and outclassed by the twins and so look for someone to blame. When looking for someone to blame, the easy target is always a priority hence Ava.

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#49

I wonder what Maurice listens to in his headphones. Dubstep? I hope dubstep.

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#50

I’m guessing he’s got at least one Was(Not Was) song in the rotation…

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#51

Honestly, Lilith’s encounter had more fighting in it then my has. Would have been cool to actually see her fight, but I guess time was an issue with some of the cutscenes. I never played anything besides Axton in the second game, just didn’t care for the other Vault Hunters. Even though Krieg was cool. However, how everything transpired is painfully obvious. Not to mention that no one even knew, not even Troy himself, that he could leech off other people without Tyreen. So the say that Maya couldn’t handle herself sounds more opinionated and factual.

and Troy had his own character problems because it look like he was growing out of his sister’s shadow and may have become the antagonist we would have to kill the very end. but then we kill kill him, Tyreen still Lives when she probably should have been dead, and we have yet another planet to explore. But it also ties into the story problems with Borderlands 3 as a whole.

#52

It seemed to me pretty obvious by Tyrene’s response to Ava’s comments what their intentions being there were in the first place, they weren’t planning on letting anyone leave period. Ava being there and saying things didn’t really change that. One way or the other they were there for a reason, Troy’s revelation just happened to be a nice happy surprise for them to make it all the easier. If Maya felt she could take them on, then she would, instead of her first instinct being to want to run away.

I feel like this was a missed opportunity. They kind of starting to build up that Troy would overtake Tyrene’s place but then it just kind of went away. I think many people would rather Troy ended up being the final encounter instead of Tyrene.

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#53

Guess they felt there were enough Male villains in the game and tried to add more females to that party. This is the ONLY game where we have female bandits after all. Though this is explained because before, most of the bandits were ex-Dahl prisoners.

#54

Are there any female Maliwan troops?

#55

Judging from the sounds they make when slaughtered…no. However, those heavy troopers are very likely the nomad bandits from 2.

#56

I vehemently hate maurice after he body blocked me near the mayhem console and I had to quit the game because I couldn’t move.

#57

I tried to be revived by Ava and that what she told to me
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Ava…:joy: this is gold can t stop laughing now

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#58

The point of grabbing him physically was to pressure tyreen into a standoff. Not only was her siren power incapable of killing Troy itself - as tyreen was capable of killing Ava in a simple movement - phase lock would’ve consistently grown weaker the longer she tried to hold her powers.

The inability to strategize would’ve ended your leverage in the same scenario much faster than a miscalculation on the part of Maya. She unwittingly gave her life for her subordinate because she had no other real choice - choosing to ignore that is your own shortcoming and not a defense of the situation.

Had Ava not been there they probably would’ve written in Maya’s death anyways, but don’t detract from Maya’s attempt to do the right thing in the smartest approach possible because you have no other defense of Ava’s insubordination that led to Maya’s death.

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#59

Only if Maya is, in fact, weak or incompetent in the use of her Siren powers. Troy barely had any time with the power and he was going to kill the VH without Wainwright’s intervention. Not that barely being able to physically hold onto Troy was particularly threatening, either. Tyreen certainly appeared to be more bemused than threatened when she tossed Ava aside.

Which means the vitriolic scapegoating, regardless of how the circumstantial argument pans out, is nothing but a futile exercise in petulance.

#60

It took until after we killed captain Truant for her to first actually augment her powers with eridium, so while I can agree to the incompetent I disagree with the weak assessment. Maya was presented as more of a scholar than a fighter (only Tannis does this better among sirens) so when face to face with another whose abilities she didn’t know well enough the tactic of retreat made sense. Attacking the strategy of Maya will not win any agreement when every other choice she made was well thought out. It only makes your position appear to be another “circumstancial argument” as well.

In her introductionary cutscene she does a relatively nice roundhouse kick, if I were to assume someone holding a hostage was better able to snap someone’s neck I think it would only be Brick. There’s nothing that says she was unable to threaten Tyreen by taking Troy hostage other than your opinion on the matter so discussing this further is really totally irrelevant.

One could also view this as her feeling relief for not having to share power, yet not having to take the blame for his death - but it goes even further off topic so I’ll leave it at that as well.

If you would kindly indicate where it was developed that he intended to do this with just the phase lock ability Maya had available to her (as she had no eridium in the death cutscene) then we could at least compare apples to oranges here. I say that because in the cutscene, she couldn’t have killed him at her leisure - it was a standoff where the outcome had yet to be decided. In the end this is just falls flat as justification for anything you’ve brought up.

I don’t mean to be vitriolic regarding the scapegoating, I am so regarding other elements of Ava’s character so if that comes across I apologize. However, Maya was only weak in so much that she didn’t explore her sirens powers as deeply as other sirens chose to. She did not make poor decisions, she simply had bad luck - and trying to pin the blame of the events resulting in her death on anyone aside from the cause that needed such a selfless act is folly. If they wrote it differently so she still died - there would be a different reason for her death. As they chose to write it, Ava is the responsible party.

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#61

That was a generalized shot at the Ava haters. I’m arguing against a whole mob, after all, not just you. We may never see eye to eye on the particulars, but you present some of the most cohesive arguments. Also: “vitriolic” is just a fun word to say. I can almost hear it in Maurice’s voice.

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#62

I wonder…what would happen if Amara used eridium? Something similar to the Hulk?

#63

I think she is slipping some on the side already.

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#64

Maurice needs to eat eridium, then GB should let you ride him like a chocobo.

#65

So what you saying is having a talking dinosaur on your giant space ship piloted by a teddy bear is too much and annoying for you? He taking too much space?

It’s a talking dinosaur. He’s awesome…yes

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