Iām not removing a single point from Immolate 
But Flicker now looks like the weakest link on that first half of the tree.
Agreed, Iām dropping it in favor of helios, but keeping my 5 point in Immolate, itās just too good.
I completely specced out of it and havenāt noticed any difference.
Ayup. Iām sticking with both Immolate and Helios due to the Leg. Binder COM. If I didnāt have that COM, Iād probably drop Helios all-together.
I have a reason to play Borderlands 2 again. yatta
Iām kinda disappointed that Blight Phoenix didnāt get a sizable boost too. Itās just about the coolest looking skill in the game with a way of working that no other skill has in the game. I wish it would have been viable as a way to deal with melee attackers on itās own at 11/5.
Iām just whining now, I love the changes
I feel though that the character that got the most out of that updateā¦is actually Gaige.
Maya never left, and now sheās just more of an elemental monster.
The question is whatās worth it ?
Immolate 5/5 (the 5th point only increases your damages by 7% due to diminishing returns)
or
Helios 5/5 (and 10/5 with Leg Binder, the now famous and to be very played Leg COM) 
What is the real difference between Helios 4/5 (9/5) and Helios 5/5 (10/5) ??
5/5 Immolate isnāt much needed if youāre not going against raid bosses, 4/5 already does a good job anyway, itās a situational skill after all. Itās nice now to have Cloud Kill and 10/5 Helios for mobbing.
I just specced into Cloud Kill for fun. Running OP8 now andā¦wowā¦just wow. I cracked a bit of a smile when a pirate ran through the cloud and got rekt.
Thereās no way Cloud Kill makes it through a patch at this strength. Itās melting everything. Phase/converge and throw a bullet in there and things start dying. Itās brilliant.
Same here, on both counts. As much as I love having CK making a mockery of every armored target and at least a pretty barbed joke of everything else, I wish they had scaled down the visual component of Helios a bit.
I love my crits, and they are harder to get with Helios. Possibly Iāll get used to it. Hope so, 'cos Iām not speccing out of it ever again.
Not to derail, butā¦did something new turn up during the last 2-3 days?
Maya got a boost to 3 skills: all 3 were considered useless. One is now amazing, one is now useful but not game changing and the third one was nicheā¦itās still niche.
Gaige got a boost to 4 different skills, 2 of which were considered to be useless, one was used only for itās side effect. The main point though is that they are almost all in her LBT tree and they bring a new level of synergy to the tree ( and 2 of the skills are on the same legendary COM) (where with Cloudkill and Heliosā¦you were already phaselocking and shooting so only your damage output changes) I can now see people trying to make Death from above builds, use IO as a considerable source of damage and actively trying to get crits to activate shock storm.
Maya may have gotten the most out of the update numerically, but from a playstyle standpoint, Gaige is the one that got the most new options opened. 
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Yeah, see what you mean. As discussed in that subforum, if people are making DFA-focused builds they have more imagination than I (or theyāre all using Strikers with an adjusted mag count of 1, and even then theyād need more imagination than I have).
I/O did get a nice boost, butā¦
Eh, Iām not going to nitpick and derail, itās a very nice patch for both of them (Ā“Ļļ½)
Rational Anarchist
Pfaugh. Like I wouldnāt spec that? I still lost quite a few stacks on every exchange in spite of 6-7/10 in Typecast Iconoclastā¦I did see @Wingsdayās maths for how RA is superior, but that would be the point: unless Typecast gets a higher chance to proc, I have to spend much of my time running along the ground like sensible people do.
Not very Gaige-y IMO.
I donāt see the need for TI in what I imagine. Get 25 stacks, jump and shoot until youāre empty(both stacks and ammo), reload, get 25 more stacks. Rinse repeat.
I donāt think itās compatible with wanting to stay at max stacks. Think of it as a variant of the dischord loop build.
I forsee running that build with something like a butcher or CC being really funny
this has the Twister written all over it
Well, no.
Now Iām intrigued, though.
I think some mule has a Butcher, and I always decide the utter misery of farming a Twister is worth it.
Iāll give it a spin with both. However, looking at @Overloadās (whose name wonāt load) damage numbers for DFA, accounting for constantly low stacks and subtracting 62.5% or whatever it isā¦
Well, itās only money, right?
Did I really say that? Oh well.
But yeah, looping RA and DFA was a novel experience but a very rewarding one. It felt odd to rarely get above 30 stacks at OP8, but stuff died. In abundance and with some alacrity.
I really will stop derailing now, but with attention paid to the right gear and after a bit of a learning curve this could be quite exciting.
(Mods, how do you link parts of a discussion over to another? I can start a placeholder thread in the Gaige subforum, or possibly update an ongoing discussion about the patch.)
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My job here is done! 