Nisha vs Eclipse & EOS 40.5 seconds

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

Forjack probably Developments but he’s not breaking eos thresholds.

I do remember getting Crits before his eye turns into the rectangular hole, I dont remember doing anything special but it has happened.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

Forjack probably Developments but he’s not breaking eos thresholds.

(Sad face) I thought you had an idea for Jack to bypass EOS’ phases.

I do remember getting Crits before his eye turns into the rectangular hole, I dont remember doing anything special but it has happened.

Cool. If you find out the specifics just post it.

Also as soon as EOS says “Look into my eye, and perish!” he’s critable even though his crit spot isn’t showing yet. So it might be that.

[maxageddon (There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)]

To the Jack tangent, Jack + Flayer will take them both down fast. MIP would improve times. Best I have ever done (not really timing it past action skill depleting) is about 30-35 seconds on Eclipse, and about a minute or two for EOS (including time it takes to go through the phases) with zero starting MIP. The Flayer will melt away shields and HP(sponsored by maliwan shock, but can’t quite get a phase bypass, even if I am able to drop his health almost instantly. The laser disker with a sponsored by vladof will make short work of EOS after the shields drop too, but not nearly as fast as the flayer. Never tried with rocket launchers though. I have been doing the runs with 0 starting MIP, pretty much because I don’t want to take the time to stack them, and with 999 it would almost be a given.

This is with 5 company man, docs flayer with decent, but not great parts, and a CEO COM.

I am also probably a mediocre player at best, so throwin this out there as more of something to build off than anything else.

I did a few runs using a Projection COM and a shock development with L4A4 too. My trigger finger is faster than any of the ROF buffs I can get, so the fights dragged on a little more.

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

If you’re going jakobs route the quad is more dps.

[maxageddon (There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)]

Agreed, but even with a 6 in AA, ammo ends up being an issue. Taking time to find ammo takes away from the over all kill time, and I am bone dry before the end of the fight otherwise

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

oh thats odd im usually fine on ammo with just a projection.

[maxageddon (There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)]

Also, my flayer out-damages the base damage of just about every quad I have come accross. I have a Rustlers flayer too that flat out out performs all quads ive come across, but I seem to do better with the docs than the rustlers.

I am also not the best player in the world. If I paid more attention to when my kill skills are active, ammo would likely be less of an issue. I dont have the same issue with a Development, but the fight drags on a bit longer with it.

[maxageddon (There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)]

Also, @Hoyle4 because i’m a dummy and replied to myself instead of you

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

and about a minute or two for EOS (including time it takes to go through the phases)

My Athena does it just under 2 minutes, so the 1 minute thing isn’t even possible.

Agreed, but even with a 6 in AA, ammo ends up being an issue. Taking time to find ammo takes away from the over all kill time, and I am bone dry before the end of the fight otherwise

Never happened with me when I do the kill Deputy Jack.

Also, my flayer out-damages the base damage of just about every quad I have come accross. I have a Rustlers flayer too that flat out out performs all quads ive come across

What you have to look forward to if you find one.

[WinterschneeFee (Jessica Noire)]

I certainly love a Loop Quad. Zer0 recoil with five shots per burst at reduced ammo is just nuts but would it serve “Jack” well for a speedy kill? Overload is quite intimidating too but there are more ammo issues and you’ll have to throw many grenades to keep the glitch active.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

I was just chipping in on @maxageddon’s and @Hoyle4’s conversation. But I do enjoy killing Eclipse & EOS with Loop/Overload Quads and Loop Developments alike. I haven’t really tried to optimize a Jack speed kill so I wouldn’t know, but both are popular options. And with the Overload glitch, the kickback sucks but its worth it, and when you have 11/5 in Absolute Advantage it doesn’t really matter if the gun consumes 4 ammo or 5. And when I raid with the Quad I don’t even worry about preserving glitches.

All this assuming your using a CEO or a Projection Com. But he said he was.

And Jack is my 2nd favorite character in TPS, only recently beat by Athena.

[WinterschneeFee (Jessica Noire)]

I am just adding my 2 cents.

Still, even with 11/5 AA it’s very easy to unexpectedly lose the bonus. Assuming the Quad has 10 mag it takes just three shots with any Just Compensation bonus to empty it. I suppose the glitched mag size is added after skill based mag bonuses? Otherwise you’d have 16 at full bonus which you don’t, or at least that’s my experience.
Sometimes it can take ages and sometimes it happens so fast you don’t what happened especially because it suffers no FR penalty. I’ve lost quite a few Overloads because of that already. 12% isn’t that high but it’s not that low either. Krieg players can attest to that.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

Still, even with 11/5 AA it’s very easy to unexpectedly lose the bonus.

When it comes to speed kills or even mobbing with a glitched Quad I don’t fret over losing a glitch b/c they’re hard to keep. On a looped Torgue Rifle or Hyperion Thinking its more reasonable since they have big mags and their type of loop glitch refunds part of your mag on kill. And you can wait until everyone is dead to throw a couple grenades to get a full mag.

The thread on the different types of loops juts in case you didn’t know.

Assuming the Quad has 10 mag it takes just three shots with any Just Compensation bonus to empty it. I suppose the glitched mag size is added after skill based mag bonuses? Otherwise you’d have 16 at full bonus which you don’t, or at least that’s my experience.

1. With 5/5 in JC and 5/10 grenades you have a 13 mag. That’s 4 shots and you aren’t low enough for enemies to drop grenades to screw up your mag size.
2. The glitch mag is considered the base, so it comes before JC.
3. And having to have that 12% chance happen 4 times ends up being a pretty low chance to empty your mag. And even lower with a loop glitch.

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So I’d say enjoy your Quad glitches while you have them and don’t try to Marginal Benefit spam to keep it until you’re out of combat.

12% isn’t that high but it’s not that low either. Krieg players can attest to that.

StV FTW , I love melee Krieg.<3

[WinterschneeFee (Jessica Noire)]

When it comes to speed kills or even mobbing with a glitched Quad I don’t fret over losing a glitch b/c they’re hard to keep. On a looped Torgue Rifle or Hyperion Thinking its more reasonable since they have big mags and their type of loop glitch refunds part of your mag on kill. And you can wait until everyone is dead to throw a couple grenades to get a full mag.

Ok, that’s a good point.

With 5/5 in JC and 5/10 grenades you have a 13 mag. That’s 4 shots and you aren’t low enough for enemies to drop grenades to screw up your mag size.

I meant with the Overload glitch. At 5/5 with 0 grenades you should get 60% mag bonus so the Quad I got with 10 mag by default should reach 16 but it doesn’t. It stops at 15 despite 160% being a perfectly round number so it would always be three shots if the mag size increase by at least one. Unless you have a better grip of course, especially the Jakobs grip I guess. Mine got the Bandit grip.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

I meant with the Overload glitch. At 5/5 with 0 grenades you should get 60% mag bonus so the Quad I got with 10 mag by default should reach 16 but it doesn’t. It stops at 15 despite 160% being a perfectly round number so it would always be three shots if the mag size increase by at least one.

That’s weird. I’ll check it out. But I can’t imagine trying to maintain zero grenades all the time b/c of ammo drops.

[WinterschneeFee (Jessica Noire)]

The amateur math geek in me screams because of that oddity. But yes, maintaining 0 grenades is difficult which also invalidates most 4 Overloaded Quad shots (with the Jakobs Grip of course).
The mag size increases at 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9 missing grenades which seems pretty normal for the mag size. I do retract my earlier statement about the glitch bonus being added after the skill bonus but I still do not understand why this happens.

[maxageddon (There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)]

My Athena does it just under 2 minutes, so the 1 minute thing isn’t even possible.

Then its likely a little higher for me. The transition phases add the most time, each health/shield phase doesn’t last very long, especially the last phase with the bonus damage to enemy health under 40%. Just start my action skill when EOS starts to phase back in, jump to another platform to kill a jack, and go to town. EOS health goes down like lightening. Eclipse is the bigger pain. I can’t consistently shred him within one action skill outing. Always in under 2, but some times he jumps around to much to keep his crit spot in my sights on the first go.

What you have to look forward to if you find one.

ooooooooooo That certainly outclasses my flayer. My Doc’s has about the same stats as your pic, but is a bandit grip. My Rustlers flayer hits about the same (per pellet) as the one you have pictured with a torgue grip., but still wouldn’t out damage the quad displayed.

I also apparently need to pay more attention to my ammo consumption, haha.

I only really use the CEO over the projection because im not huge on hyperion weaponry compared to my comfort with jakobs. I also tend to not bother with grenades with Jack, so I didnt spec into any skills that rely on them.

Still, even with 11/5 AA it’s very easy to unexpectedly lose the bonus.

or in my case, just not paying attention to when my kill skills were activated in the first place. Now, I am going to have to take a break from building up the Nisha I started the other week to repeatedly slaughtering EOS and Eclipse again. See what happens when I actually pay attention. We’ll see how this one goes

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

Yeah its just a glitch with JC and not glitch weapons, I did my Quad w/ Jacobs grip, your Quad from “Finds of the Day”, and a Maggie to use as an example at the end.

I’ll mention @Jeffybug just cause. I’m on PC.

Skill build

Quad w/ Jacobs grip

Your Quad

Maggie

[WinterschneeFee (Jessica Noire)]

Interesting, another mystery solved! Quite curious why this happens. My glitched shock Tediore Railgun has the expected mag size for one. Which is pretty awesome.

or in my case, just not paying attention to when my kill skills were activated in the first place.

Same, happens way more often than I want to admit.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

I only really use the CEO over the projection because im not huge on hyperion weaponry compared to my comfort with jakobs.

Sometimes I even use the Projection Com with the Quad for raiding. The accuracy and crit damage it worth the loss in base damage sometimes.

I also tend to not bother with grenades with Jack, so I didnt spec into any skills that rely on them.

JC isn’t really a grenade base skill per say. And with some weapons it’s worth it.

or in my case, just not paying attention to when my kill skills were activated in the first place.

Yeah that will get 'cha.