Man i am talking BL3.
The talk was about Mayhem makes TVHM redundant cause if you are on normal play through there is no difference when mayhem is turned on.
By Adding Mayhem, they allowed people the opportunity to play the difficult version of the content without having to re run the story. They also gave the option of being able to rerun the story to get mission rewards.
I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I dont say Mayhem i dont like.
What im saying is what the point of TVHM anymore then?
Cause when one finished the story this person is more likely to try out mayhem modes more then a tvhm playthrough.
So whats the point of it anyways.
To re run the campaign to get the gear.
Or to experience the game without Mayhem. It’s options 
We have the option to rerun anytime without tvhm anyways so this aint no argument.
You can play without mayhem anyways so i don’t see that as an argument either.
Maybe there a few more badasses but if i wanna have it more difficult i can also just use grey gear or melee through the story.
What are you talking about? You can’t reset normal?
You can reset everything anytime.
Just see at the main menu.
I dont know where it is on pc but i can press square and reset the whole progress exept for my vault hunter.
Yeah i back checked this too you are right.
Non the less i dont see that much value in TVHM.
If it would be avaidable from the get go as a hard mode it would be another thing but in its current state i have no motive that make me gravitate into TVHM at all.
So either they make it juicer or it will be a mode only a few really use to grind for mission rewards.
If that’s even a thing cause mission rewards wont scale to ones mayem level so.
With the incoming Veterans Reward Machine change…quest reward farming isn’t even gonna end up being a thing either. So TVHM will just be for people who wanna opt out of Mayhem all together.
Unfortunately, TVHM really offers minimum challenge without Mayhem, due to how everything scales. So I don’t know what the future of TVHM is. But this has always been the case in BL3 , TVHM and Mayhem are two paths to the same goal
Is this intentional? Wouldn’t be surprised if it was one of the bugs associated with mayhem 2.0
Anyway, most games do a simple “tougher enemies, better loot” with their NG+, I was surprised to find out that apparently BL3 doesn’t. I suppose it does increase the frequency of badasses, which indirectly has a similar result, but the thing with those badasses is that they have world drops. You get showered with world drops anyway in normal mode too. With no +loot for being in TVHM, there’s no reason to do it if you’re after dedicated drops.
It seems intentional cause it was like that before mayhem 2.0 already.
What’s this about Veterans Reward Machine change?!?
Does this mean they are changing how dedicated drops are working, since as you say quest reward farming isn’t even going to be a thing?
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but I guess I did miss it.
See now we are on the same page!
While i must admit tvhm is not the end goal it could at least offer challenge as a hard mode for your first play through.
I hope they rethink over the concept of TVHM.
This topic is made, so we discuss possible ways to make this valuable in the game.
Kinda sad that they did not utilize this mode but in a way it was not needed for Borderlands 3.
Also, i would be more happy about quest rewards scaling instead of the veterans machine. In this forum there are great ideas to utilize Erdium and it kinda bums me out that the devs decided to add this instead of one of the many great ideas but who knows maybe they will include one of those at later moment.
Through the Veterans machine you probably could get a Wedding invitation tho this is not confirmed yet, but they talked about it on the last show and said it could be a thing to include limited time loot also.
I really could imagine this to be a thing especially for the people that maybe missed out on these events.
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Ah, thanks! I missed that… I read the first part of the paragraph about dedicated drops and my mind trailed off with the assumption they were doing that… DOH! Reading is essential…
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That would make sense… I missed out on the earlier events waiting for it to drop on Steam…
Maybe a M10 Wedding Invitation will happen…
Still waiting on the weapon cards to indicated what level they are…
This will happen through the next two patches gearbox plans to put out.
And a lot of more great changes to come for example the underperforming weapons will receive major buffs while the overperforming ones will be nerfed.
Also they include action skill scaling and grenades scale to mayhem.
Class mods will get bonus in dmg and also special effects, i suggested this like already a month or two before in order to make every VH viable in endgame.
This will add more vibrate to every Build.
The most interesting things will happen after the second patch.
The first one will only have less important changes like scaling down health shield and armor for everything above mayhem 7.