Remove the Zim. There are better cryo pistols out there, both damage wise and freeze chance wise
IVF best parts: I’m suggesting the Refill prefix and the scav grip for maximum mag size, which can go up to 48 with 5/5 in Happy Guns.
Launchers: Add the explosive badaboom and the nukem.
Badaboom: Heap’d, Clever or Kwik change prefix. Tediore sight, scav grip and exhaust
Nukem: derp or fwap a prefix. Tediore sight, torgue grip and exhaust.
Shields: add the Avalanche shield. Alkaline or warming prefix. The cryo spike and nova help alot with crowd control, and with safety first subroutines, its long recharge delay can be overridden (as well when wearing an 3dd1.e oz kit). On melee and hybrid builds, it can assist nicely with Float Like a Bee kills.
Bomber oz kit, Juggernaut oz kit with corrisive resistance, Explosive Duality oz kit.
Really ?
The T4S-R has better freeze chance, but not higher damage…
What other pistol has higher freeze chance ?
and what cryo pistol in this game has higher damage ?
I’d argue the Gwen’s other head for slightly more cryo damage and the t4s-r for freeze chance. The Zim seems to be a middle ground that’s not particularly good at either task.
To get the card damage of the Gwen’s head, you have to be almost point blank, as half the bullets will fly off to the left. Though it does have an interesting crit bonus…
The T4S-R is a superior freeze tool, but the Zim brings plenty of hurt. and is the most ammo-efficient of the 3. It also completely negates the need to reload in most situations.
If we’re talking about pistols, I feel like the Fragnum is TOTALLY overrated. Not only it should not be on this list… I don’t think it’s even a good gun.
3x the ammo for 1.2x the damage versus a purple slapper ? with slower bullets ? I’ll pass.
The recoil on the Zim is pretty bad too and the bullets feel somewhat slower than on regular pistols, forcing you to use it at point blank as well, when not ADS. I kinda agree on the fragnum, although it is a nice ammo diversity back up for torgue shotgun builds.
The Avalanche is already there, I just had it named wrong. As for the Fragnum, I like it. Not as much as the Harold, but I like it. I’ve tried a Slapper, but it didn’t seem to work as well as the Fragnum. I will change the ratings if more people chime in.
Don’t know the maths here but I go with my purple, cryo Vengeful Anarchist over my cryo T4s-R’s (have Redundant & Win-Win) any day. The Anarchist also serves as a mini-sniper for longer range shooting. Any Zim’s I find I use for grinder fodder.
I’m of the opinion the Fragnum should be there (so long as it’s one without those horrible TV monitor or side barrel sites – can’t bear those). I must have gotten thousands of kills with Fragnums.
No experience with the Slapper; will keep an eye out.
Not saying the Fragnum can’t be used, but a purple slapper is just plain better.
Comparable damage, 1/3 the ammo consumption (which also means 1/3 the time reloading…thus higher DPS) and faster bullets…slapper wins
A small edit: the ice scream’s description says that it has extremely high freeze chance. This isn’t true… It has around 6%, which is typical for ARs. (I also think it has no business on the list at all, but that’s just me)
To add to the list:
Reogenator. For the same reason tediore shields are there (quick recharge short delay), but it also adds health (synergy with ML and killbot) and adds elemental resist.
Party line: it’s great on everyone, so it probably is on clappy too. (Best parts is Tediore grip and gentle prefix)
Let’s also consider most guns with high elemental proc chance for ML. The ZX-1 and firestarta come to mind. And the Blowfly has fairly high chance, coupled with double the chances per bullet (splash) and a very fast fire rate.
Farmed a purple Slapper to check it out and, since @Chuck80 seems bent on bad-mouthing my beloved Fragnum, thought I’d post a few more thoughts. Stats posted below. So, observations –
Yeah, the Slapper is nice & more ‘ammo efficient’ – if all you’re shooting at is baby Torks! The Fragnum would proc Load ‘n’ Splode, Start with a Bang, and One Last Thing more (reloading more often). Plus, there’s the 25% crit bonus on the Fragnum. But, in truth, didn’t end up using either much since Torgue shotguns seem to get the killing done more efficiently.
Another interesting detail also is that the slapper doesn’t need the explicit prefix, since it has no spread that needs tightening. So you could afford the damage prefix on it, or even the double… Which makes it CLEARLY higher DPS than the fragnum.
Do you have the same grips on both of these guns ?
Slapper should have the same fire rate as fragnum.
As for using neither, I’m with you there. The Torguemada is head and shoulders above both. I only compared the fragnum and slapper for the purpose of pistol builds on Nisha. Clappy players should avoid both IMO, unless they are using that pistol COM … Pistols are bad in TPS in general.
Due to a family illness, I don’t believe I’ll be able to maintain this list any longer. If anybody else is interested in doing so, please PM me so I can have this locked and update the resource guide with the new list. Thanks.
Haven’t looked at the grip parts chart so can’t say what grips these have. Now I’ll have to look (or grind) for a Double Slapper! I’ve also found limited roles for pistols. My favorite use is actually holding them when roaming around Concordia – an aesthetics thing (rather look at a pretty pistol than a honker shotgun, e.g.). Usually end up switching to something more useful in battle.
Seems like a Top Gear for Claptrap ought to have some pistols, though. Like you, I rarely use them with him. Certainly more useful at lower levels, though – in which case, I’d say: Fragnum, purple Slappers, purple elemental Anarchists, & Ts4-R’s.
I think the Fragnum is good, just not Top gear material. Pistol parts so you can see which grip they are
I think the Blowfly deserves to be on this list too.
Insane fire rate, great elemental chance, splash damage.
Best part would be Jakobs Grip and Neutralizing prefix
Dunno. If it’s a quest reward, probably not. My gear tends to fall of the back of the truck, as it were, so I generally put that in anyway. I’ll go change it.
