Plague Rat or Double Dose?

“Plague Rat” is a good choice if you have picked as the 1st upgrade “Vector Borne Transmission” and give Patient Zero to an ally with AoE capabilities (as Infection also triggers on abilities then). Also it is a better choice for PvP types with waves of minions as it hits multiple enemies.

“Double Dose” is by my experience best in Capture-Mode as the number of targets shrink, which makes the benefit of the upgrade a lot higher.

Mmm. I also don’t know how new projectiles and piercing works. It makes me question how piercing volley and splinter would synergise. Also, offtopic but I wonder how instant pillars and preamble of pain together work

PoP gets cancelled out thanks to the instant pillars. Not a good Helix combo if you plan on getting instant pillar on Nullify.

Aww, that’s sad. Do you know if the Encore pillar also recieves nihilism’s effect? That would also make it only half useful with Encore

Addendum; PoP does do damage if you go with the instant SFP, it’s just about half the damage it would be normally.

And yes, you can use SFP, Nullify, and then get an instant SFP with Nihilism.

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Ah, so you can’t nullify then instapillar twice with Encore?

Yes, if you Nullify, wait for the cooldown, Pillar, then Nullify again and pillar again. (The instant pillar doesn’t have a time limit, as far as I’m aware, so you can hold onto it until you need it.)

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As some others have mentioned, Double Dose has great synergy with Beatrix’s lifesteal. With the increased attack speed while hip firing, you can mid-range attack bulkier targets such as big bots also tagging and killing minion bots. With this method you can also stay mobile (and be more effective mid-range) instead of sniping down an alley.

I don’t understand Why SHE gets Penetrating shots if zoomed.
@Jythri is this a bug, As I don’t see it listed anyware, and it would make sense if it breaks due to doubledose, or is it intended? It is a bonkers effect, as it Wreaks Toby and anyone with a sheild.

Well, from what I’ve seen with characters with a shield, and Thrall Brutes, her scoped shots don’t actually penetrate their shield. The wound/DoT still apply to the character though. Could be wrong, as I don’t really take the time to interview my enemies about how much my attacks have penetrated them.

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hmm, you called?

Yeah. I kept saying it that way for fun. God I loved that show…

Basically plague rat is good for minion type situations both pve and pvp whereas double dose is good for capture and face off. You can’t convince me otherwise :smile:

except double dose is full damage to multiple enemies that is affected by attack damage and scales with levels, while plague rat is always 25 damage.

Tested PR in Dojo and it does two tics, actually, so it’s 50 damage to everything in a wonky radius, that never scales up with anything. (Attack damage, levels, or skill damage.)

yeah i was gonna say, its +25, not just 25. It buffs your tics while DD just bullet hops like shanes boomerang.

But does DD hop for EVERY ENEMY HIT with a single shot? Like if you penetrate multiple enemies will DD cause the shots to just bounce between the mob repeatedly? I mean is the second bullet counted per bullet fired, or per enemy hit?

Anybody else feel like the range on DD is super small? It seems to have the same range as PR.

honestly its hard to tell anyway because everyone is always ticcing due to level 1 helix

You use the infection on patient zero?