Right. Which is why I don’t initiate a 1v1 Gal that’s aware of me with close range/melee.
If she’s laning/distracted with another player and I can see the desecrate patch out then I’ll initiate in melee with a DoT spike acid patch and strafe back into mid range pistol fire.
Your entire venting is from a Galilea with a Miko. That’s a 2 on 1 encounter. Personally I’ve had a harder time facing Rath than Galilea. And somehow he’s OK and she’s not.
Still, I won’t stop playing my preferred character. As soon as I saw her I thought of MetaKnight. Regardless of how OP people see her, or if she’s nerfed to only have auto attack and can only run, I’ll still play as her. Who else looks as awesome as she does? She’s the Buttercup of the Power Puff Girls. the Negasonic of the DeadPool. You know what I’m saying.
Yeah I agree that some ranged characters can have success against her, but I think we can all agree she trumps every other melee focused character.
It’s a 2 enemy encounter vs 5…She is nigh unkillable with support behind her. Especially after level 5. I used to have a problem with Rath (in the beta). That knock up to dreadwind can be murderous, but if you’re playing Gali you have an insta pull/silence so he shouldn’t be a problem for you…
Rath has an instakill button that he can use every 60 sec or so. Gali has an instakill kit that can be used every 15/20 seconds.
I’m curious to know what Gali players would like to see adjusted. For instance if you could keep her great CC or great dmg, which would it be?
Like most 1v1 it’s who lands their CC first. Like I said earlier Rath can juggle kill as can Deande. Boldur has it rough without support, El Dragon apparently though I don’t have a lot of knowledge with him. I mean she’s top tier for sure but bad matchups can still be overcome. Especially since this is a team based game.
Neither as she doesn’t need nerfed any further. Her projectile damage is situational as it’s contingent on her staying full health and her CC is balanced by the risk reward of the shield toss missing and her losing her L2 block. Desecrate is fine, it’s supposed to be a death zone. It’s like expecting a napalm patch to only do damage once when you walk in. If you stand in fire, you’re going to continually get burnt.
If anything needs looked into it’s these issues with the Desecrate vacuum Z axis (height) and the full sprint running attacks.
Also. Miko Healbotting a big scary bruiser like Gal means you cut down Miko. That’s not Gal’s fault if you make the mistake of engagging her 2 v 1 or not eliminating the Miko.
i would love the opportunity to private match you sometime. i would also love the opportunity to compare kd and win pct. i think you’re just generally misunderstanding the mechanics or a moba type game, and the roles that are assigned to characters. it is absolutely unheard of for a character that is not a tank to have more hp than a tank. it is absolutely unheard of for a character that is not an assassin to out dps an assassin character. it is even more unheard of for both this hp and dps to exist on the same character. you should NEVER need a team effort to take one player down if that one player is not a tank, and not an assassin, and one of you is an assassin.
my team has no problem shutting down galileas. but my team has no problem shutting anything down. does that mean everything is perfect? that is the logic you’re using. we are all incredibly players, so of course we are going to shut everything down. we play the objective well, so we have map control and levels on our teammates, so of course no character goes ham against us. you cant use that comparison in regards to balance. balance can only be ascertained in an evenly skilled match.
Galilea herself isn’t all that bad, it’s just that some of her mutations give her crazy powers. Right off the bat she starts with a stun, but then she can get a tier one mutation that pulls you into her desecrate, which is already making you take more damage. Then she gets one later that also silences you. So that’s one skill that’s silencing, pulling you in, and making you take more damage, all at the same time, PLUS a stun to use after it runs out. She also has a mutation that gives up to a 35% attack speed increase, which is an INSANE boost, considering that most gear pieces give like 9% and then up to another 9% in a specific situation. And that’s just three Helix points. It all ends up adding up to being insanely strong.
In all honesty if they ether lowered her survivability and lower the attack speed and great sword buff a bit should be ok. The main thing is how hard she is to take down. She’s supposed to be a brusier, not a tank.
I agree with OP. This comes down to personal ethics and there are many out there that have none. Everyone knows it and some will not admit it, Galilea is still broken. She is classified as a Brawler but can single handedly push a team back.
I actually wanted to main her when I first got the game but refuse to play her until she is patched.
One last thing, funny and sad really, there is a user on Youtube that posted a video May 5th (so pre hotfix), he said this; I wasn’t very good at BB until I started playing Galilea… lol (nfk)
I think he was referring to the shield that can absorb 1000 dmg. Not sure though.
That is a utility. Not to be tied to health if thats where he was getting. If shield is up she isnt attacking. If she throws it she is subject to whatever you want to do to her. Its more risk reward type of utility. Play it safe and be defensive Or use it to go in with and risk not having it on the way out.
Regardless of what he was getting at, I think if you take an objective look at her its impossible to not see her kit is way better than everyone else’s. If she is brawler than name me a brawler that has what her kit has (rhetorical). I’m not even saying I don’t beat most Gali’s I run into, but player skill is variable. I have pretty good stats and have put almost 100 hours into the game. If I, or you, or anyone else runs into a Gali that is equal skill the Gali will win 99% of the time. And you, specifically, play with a team; you are beating Gali’s that aren’t in a team or aren’t very skilled. If your 5 man went against a 2 support, 1 Gali 5 man you’d lose (skill being equal), unless you had a Gali yourself.
No one’s saying you can’t beat Gali. You can, but only if that Gali is under your skill level. Specifially, with other melee focused charcters. Her kit is just too strong right now.
" I employ all who read this to not play her and chose another character until she gets fixed. "
To be fair, that isn’t politely asking.
I changed it to ask :). I say please multiple times in the post; and in the title. To me, it came off as polite, but I have edited it.
Edit: In no way, shape, or form was I trying to come off as demanding or impolite. I apologize if I offended anyone.
I agree she is a higher tiered character. But thats just it. And me and my guys skrim on gamebattles with another crew. We Run Montanna, Gali, Miko, Melka/Phobe and Oscar Mike. Other team runs similar but the tank is an isic. We both have strong Gali’s. Her kit is good but I personally get owned by el dragon players with a good push. And a Montanna can stomp a Gali if he waits for the shield throw.
i would prefer if you refrain from insulting me personally. me challenging you to a match and to compare statistics is a challenge, not an insult. and i play on xbox. i have not played cod or halo, but they are entirely different games due to the time to kill. one shots in this game are not a thing, so the skill gap is much greater. cant really one burst someone to the body in this game like you can in cod, so the best man will typically win in a 1v1, unlike cod or halo.
as far as posting my stats with or without a team, i do not think that is possible. i have played the overwhelming majority of my games solo, yet have a high kd and around a 75 pct win pct. when i play with my full team, i have lost about 4 matches total, so that is going to be closer to 95 pct, respectively.
and as far as gali’s hp is concerned, sure:
here is the link to montana’s hp. at level 1 i believe he is around 2400 counting his shield, and there are no skills that increase his toughness at level 1, and he is a tank. he does not get a hp increase til lvl 3, if you even choose it.
now here is a link to galilea at level 1. as you can see, she is sitting at 1580 with her player shield, so that puts her at 2580 with her actual shield. literally more dmg absorption than a tank.
understandably, you will probably say something about the shield she has. was kind of prepared for that. i can also post a link for boldur if you would like, who IS a tank, and IS classified this way due to his shield, not his player shield (or lack thereof) or overall hp.
do a little research before posting or insulting.
Who else would you put in her tier though? Gali can out dps all the assassins. She can out-tank tanks with the LT shield, plus actual shield and high health. Compared to someone like boulder who has a shield and a stun, he does nothing compared to her in dps and you have to knock them into a wall to stun them. Compare her to Kelvin-Kelvin has an awesome stun but she out dps’s him by a lot and I can argue she’s more of a tank. I just find no one to compare her to. She is a better assassin than the assassins, she is a better tank than the tanks (LT shield, actual shield, health, ult), she is a better controller than controllers (desecrate/pull/silence), she has better CC than the CC-ers (Pull/silence/stun), she has better range dmg than the range characters (IDTGA, although you could argue it’s not quite as powerful as thorn/marquis at range).
You see where I’m going with this?
Edit: BB should strive for every char to have counters. There is no counter to Gali, except you gang up on her or you have another Gali. I can’t say this about another character. Thorn/ Marquis to me are one tier below Gali, but even they have counters (Ghalt chain into stun-instakill, etc.)
So i get there are some legitimate complaints about Galilea but at the same time people also have to defend her because not everything said about her is right and also gearbox seems to really nerf a character until they become background fodder (examples being pheobe and ambra).
My thoughts on this thread are this though. I do not make a post saying please stop playing miko. I mean miko is the best healer and when she is behind a montana or galilea it becomes a huge challenge to kill miko. So i feel this is unfair and makes the game impossible…ect…ect…The developers even noticed this and are reducing her self heal (or maybe already have, its hard to keep up with all the fine tuning going on). I understand voicing complaints but it can be a thin line between a legitimate complaint and complaining.
This is why i usually try to be very specific with what i am saying, so if i think galilea is broken because she has a stun i will then compare her to other characters like isic and miko get a stun but its unlocked in their helix so galilea stun should be the same way and maybe bring back her shields damage. This is the bread and butter of forum post because many people can way into the subject and oppose my specific ideas and their is probably things i just don’t know about the game like if another character has a stun right off the bat.