Political Discussion Thread

Very true, and I’m trying not to. I only think about this when I’m here. I mostly spend my time reading (fiction), gaming, and doing dad stuff (did I mention I’m having ankle biter the sequel in April? And Vasectomy: The Final Solution [hopefully] shortly thereafter.). I pop in here every so often so I can see what the reasonable folk think about the dumpster fire known as politics. I miss you guys (mostly Mickity, I see you elsewhere Temet) when I keep this thread muted too long, that’s why I’m back. Purely for the camaraderie.

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My advice is not to let the bastards get you down. Be more of a happy political warrior (poet). I mean, my preferred candidates almost NEVER win, but lookit your boy Mickity - FULL OF CYNICAL OPTIMISM OVER THE COMING COLLAPSE OF THE REPUBLIC.

Where else do you people hang? Is there a really awesome PUBG thread y’all post in or something?

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Outside of here I mostly post in the RTT (Random Talk Thread). Yeah though, I hear you on the lack of candidates that you actually want to vote for. The old joke that repeats every four years that.

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Here :point_down:

And pictures. For the memeage.

I don’t even know what that means. I think I may be too old for that one. (I do, but I don’t get down with that so wouldn’t even know if there was one.) :wink:

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See, I just don’t think this is true at all, but it’s certainly the mindset that the dem leaders have. I think they’re really underestimating how much Bernie talks to populist voters in the same way that Trump did, except he’s not, you know…a crazy person. I’m sure they’ll lose some of the boomer vote cause “OH GOD SOCIALISM”, but I honestly think Bernie takes back a lot of dem zones that Trump took over in 2016.

There’s actually quite a few roadmaps. They all involve heavily targeting states that the dems lost and swing states, but honestly I think either Biden or Bernie has a solid shot at it.

The only one I’m worried about is Warren, who’ve I’ve yelled a thousand times here “please god don’t run her”.

Animal penises are more defining than donkey dick. Just the whole world of animals.

I change the kind of penis to a more general animal dicking to point out that duck penises are designed to drill through flesh into their mate so they can ■■■■ the semen into them. They are barbed and scary.

My point is, even when we go down this road, some dicks are just better on the throat than others.

A lot better.

BTW, is Tulsi the same politician who was handing people their ■■■■ not to far back? Seems like there were some Stewart era Daily Show bits where there was a solid ex-military congresswoman handing people their ■■■■, and I thought it might be her.

Regardless, I’ve really gotten assed with her lately. I thought all the ■■■■ leading up to her dropping out was unfounded, but she’s really done nothing but be insane lately. Word on the street is she’s angling for a fox news anchor spot.

This is the biggest reason I think dem leadership is ■■■■■■■ up by ignoring bernie- I really think he can hit the same groups better, and maybe do more for them, depending on the senate/house we get afterwards.

Here or on discord. And at my local nerd shop.

Drinking helps!

I’m usually alone, but online. I have this thing right now where if I want to feel accomplished, I’ll do BL3 and hit weird tasks, but if I really want to take frustrations out I play Xenoverse 2 where I’m a blue armored space hilter.

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Meanwhile, on the southern border…

Someone really wants to ensure reelection, it seems. It may be that the US has other fields where that money would be spent well, but that’s none of my business…

Anyway, however long the wall be, China already has a longer… uhm, wall.


But I’d take a bet that sooner or later trust-fund Donny will brag about building the ‘biggest wall ever’.

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I’m having a bit of time parsing this one out

“Government resigns” in any normal country means they’ve either lost confidence in their leader or they’ve admitted their incompetence and they’re ousting themselves.

This is Putin’s Russia however and nothing is ever clear.

The surprise announcement came after Putin proposed constitutional amendments that would transfer some powers from the office of the presidency to the prime minister and parliament.

In his statement, [Prime Minister] Medvedev indicated that the government was resigning to clear the way for Putin’s proposed reforms.

So all the sudden Putin is having a change of heart and thinks Russia should be more democratically responsible and transparent?

Or is he paving the way for more power so he can install a government that’ll be more in line with his vision. “Hey ministers, fall on your swords and I’ll make it worth your while.”

For once I’m actually not going to take the cynical road since it seems unlikely but this is extremely weird.

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It’s cool.

Had me all the way - then I read this part. Perhaps you mean that he’s not crazy contrasted with other potential candidates? But I’m definitely feeling the Bern, just not in the good commie way. Because he’s a filthy OMG communist.

Agree with this a lot. She’s just not very likable. And sadly, that’s kind of a yuge part of it. But… is Trump likable? Do his voters even like him? I don’t mean the 30 percent of the electorate who will always back him, I mean the other 20 or so percent he needs to win. Cause surely those people realize he’s an ■■■■■■■, yet they still voted for him because Hillary.

Hadn’t heard that. Did hear that Hillary called her a Russian agent, which is ya know, ■■■■■■■ special. What a ■■■■ that Hillary is. (ZOMG THE C-WORD.)

I dislike all the commie stuff from Bernie, but you’re absolutely right that he hits all the same populist points as Trump. He’s just Trump in commie form. But honestly, that should scare us away from him. We need fewer demagogues, not more.

I don’t even know what to say about this.

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I find my self extremely dubious that this is about democracy. Especially after the shenanigans when Putin last hit his two-term presidency limit.

Also this:

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I’ve read a lot of funny crap today but this is right up near the top

“This act of violence against Anadolu not only shows the Egyptian leadership’s hostile stance toward the freedom of the press, but also once again shows its grave conditions on democracy and transparency,” the ministry said.

Yes. That’s Turkey’s foreign minister talking.

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Back to Putin. This was also pretty funny :

In the final act last night, Putin appointed a little known bureaucrat, tax commissioner Mikhail Mishustin, as the new PM, a position that confirmed by Russia’s parliament today. Western reporters have noted that Mishustin was so obscure, he didn’t even have his own Wikipedia entry before yesterday’s surprise appointment.

Yes indeed sir. This is how you are measured : on your Wikipedia status. Are you even on LinkedIn??

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“American partisans have developed a worrisome enthusiasm for accusing their political rivals of criminal behavior.”

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Which is a rhetoric reminder that things are going downhill. As is questioning the legitimacy of the other party’s candidate (remember the ‘Obama is not an American’ blabbering?).

At some point around the 70s, the stance concerning political opponents changed from treating them as rivals but fellow Americans to regarding them as enemies. Maybe someone remembers Newt Gingrich who was a prime example for that new ‘style’.

And off it went, while agreeing with a rival on an issue may have been acceptable, agreeing with the ‘enemy’ was something akin to treason and got one a trashing by Rush Limbaugh. Not to mention that the ‘enemy’ of course wanted America’s downfall and losing would be near apocalyptic. I mean even Senators die the ‘Obama is a closet Muslim, a foreigner and wants America as we know it to end’-dance, so go figure.

Winning at all costs is the order of the day. Want another nice one?
The supreme court usually was manned with the judges the president suggested, as long as they were capable. When blocking Merrick Garland from supreme court (a quite capable but obviously not suffienctly conservative judge) the Senate, led by Mitch McConnell, didn’t even consider the suggestion and thereby shirked its duties as stated in the constitution. But, oh well, winning needed a conservative judge. Enter Neil Gorsuch after a long period of leaving the seat open. Who needs a constitution, when the enemy has to be vanquished?

And before Sun sends me videos, the Dems aren’t any better, but the Reps give me the more blatant examples. Honestly, Gingrich was Ebenezer Scrooge after a visit from the ghost of political will to power…

Another example for things going down the drain: a classic behaviour of autocrats everywhere is to silence, threaten or, if those weapons aren’t in your arsenal yet, malign, denigrate and decry the press.

Those citizens out there are to believe the voice of the head of state and not that of some journalists. Truth is overrated anyway, especially if one has alternative facts. Sound familiar?

But to get back to the start, the moment one starts to view and present any political rival as a criminal and any other parties as an apocalyptical threat to America is the moment where one obviously has lost any understanding of a democracy. And that person being pushed by a party of yaysayers that follow their leader right or wrong is not a good omen.

Sorry for going into full rant-mode

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Yeah, it’s been going on a while and will only get worse. Once precedents are set or broken, it’s easier to push it even further next time. Obama spying on Congress and journalists, Trumpsters chanting lock her up, and now the press - WHICH DOES SUCK BALLS BY THE WAY - is the enemy of the people.

I don’t know who all read that entire article I posted, but you should. It’s interesting and offers an historical perspective that we rarely get nowadays. The money shot (oh yeah) is towards the end after all the historical stuff. But yes, partisans and thinking that those whom you disagree with are horrible people capable of doing anything will be the end of us. Last time this sort of ‘thinking’ led a young America to war with Britain. This time? I guess we’ll find out cause it doesn’t seem as if either side views the other too favorably. Even now, in this thread, we all seem to be fairly confident in which side is ‘worse,’ and which is only kinda bad. Personally, I think that’s exactly the wrong way to look at it.

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Isn’t the answer humans? Specifically those with a desire to control other humans. I always thought it was and that everyone here sort of agreed. :man_shrugging:

To add a little that just occurred to me as I reread your post, @MickityMike, we may seem kind of certain about which side is worse, but I don’t think anyone has really drawn that line based on policy. I’ve always felt that when we compared and came to the conclusion that we were talking about behavior of these people. The examples @Curmudge0n gave were all of behaviors that absolutely flew in the face of democracy and due process. It’s like the op-ed I read that stated there was a tendency in Democrat majority constituencies for access to the vote to broaden while Republican majority constituencies tended to shrink it. Neither side is perfect, nor should our political option boil down to a dichotomous choice, but one of those behaviors is a slap in the face of the founding fathers and the other is in the spirit they championed. I view most politicians much the way I view most lawyers (ie a purge of corruption is very much necessary), but if any politician demonstrated the qualities I feel most important and had a platform I thought realistic I’d vote for them, whether they had an elephant or a donkey tramp stamp.

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As much as I agree in principle with a lot of this, I find that article misleading. It cloaks itself in a veneer of righteousness, but doesn’t actually hold up to closer examination. Had it made comparisons to the Trump tower meeting and coverup it may have had a point, the Ukraine mess however involves a different set of actions. The similarity was in what was being sought.

Apart from that, as much as I despise partisanship (another point that article got odd on, the attempt to justify it while arguing against it, and even explicitly calling it something else), efforts to work against it are not the same as holding politicians to a lower standard yet. Situations should be examined and considered individually, impartially, and with evidence.

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For this, you have my vote!

source

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Happy MLK Day!

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Media has spotted a libertarian in the wild. Coincidentally, back on the old forums, this quote was in my sig. :fist:

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I actually remember that quote in your sig, though I thought it was slightly different from that. Now I’m trying to see if I can find the original quote, but I’m drawing a blank. Am I just wrong, and that’s it word for word?

Anyways, Biden has apparently doubled down on his “Youth votes don’t matter” strategy, attacking video game developers for having opposed SOPA/PIPA (as well as ‘teaching people how to kill’), and arguing against legalizing marijuana. To be fair I suppose, people in that age group really do vote less. I’m still mildly impressed by how bad his performance has been though.

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