The angle I’m on is that 1 person can be expected to be those things, but to expect it on a grander scale is unrealistic. I don’t think everyone is devoid of those qualities, just enough that you can’t bet on it. When people let the pleasure principle have the reins you can’t expect them to consider anything past themselves. They might, but you can’t expect them to.
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That’s kind of my point - I think everyone is capable of absolutely horrible things at the cost of everyone else. It’s why I support government who can… try to stop that ■■■■ with as much transparency as possible.
We’re no where near that right now btw.
It’s just the ideal.
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One problem I see is we very rarely hear about the gun owner who defends him/herself and others in some of these attacks. Because that doesn’t fit the narrative.
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I don’t really do anecdotal evidence (or at least prefer it, I still do it, but eh), but defensive gun use is indeed a thing. It’s hard to track. There are a number of attempts to quantify it though, it exists, and on scale.
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How many gun deaths are worth our fundamental, given to us by virtue of our humanity, rights to keep and bear the armz? ALL OF THE DEATHS. All of 'em.
That’s daddy’s answer. Oh yes. All of them.
Aw, don’t be offended! I didn’t include you because you’re not usually one to say, “Well, hang on there a minute, commies, perhaps the guy with the tricorner has a point with his natural rights arguments…”
But yes, you’re correct - you do tend to take a modified libertarian stance on things. And I’ll take a modified libertarian over an authoritarian - even one with good intentions - any. damn. day!
It’s not my position to decide what my fellow citizens, of their own free will, decide what they need. That is your - and yours alone - choice to make, my Appalachian friend.
Weird how that works, huh? It’s almost like - and bear wit me meow - disarming the law-abiding emboldens and encourages criminals! Wow! IT’S SUCH A CRAZY ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ CONCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPT!
Goddmann, Temet. Just when I thought I couldn’t possibly love you MOAR, you go and say something sweet AF.
Well, in my defense, I say lots of things on the regular. I should come with a warning sticker.
DANGER: May contain firearms.
Ha, have we already had this argument one million times? Meh, some things I never tire of. [Flashback: From now on, my answer to gun control posts will be ‘■■■■ off’.] Ok, so maybe I do sometimes tire of it.
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There’s 3 of you replying at once!
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1,000,001 x because I’m bored. 
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Now if America only had a gun lobby or at least some news outlets that aren’t controlled by the left-wing fake news media.
I am tempted to post Metallica’s Sad But True under that statement.
Heh, usually @MickityMike steps up to the plate to explain that fact…
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Perhaps the CDC?
And you thought they only hid info from the public on pandemics!
Good ■■■■■■■ song, mate.
Ha! I gots people now.
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Hey, we’re on board. If we can put a number to what we’re comfortable with, I’m on board.
Not whether it’s your place to decide or not - whether you know someone… who you legitimately do not trust… to not do damage to themselves or others… by owning a gun.
As a right, it looks fine on paper.
But you know in your deep heart… there is someone in your life that you’re like “ummmmm no.”
People are ■■■■■■■ stupid. There’s at least a 60% chance I get drunk enough tonight to want to do something insane with a gun. this is the personal freedom you’re talking about
See the above, I just wanted to point out that you made me call temet out, and now I feel sad.
Feels like after that rant that I should say that you are not one of the people I distrust with a firearm.
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I mean, when you’re going to do something illegal anyways… Are you arguing that you think it should be illegal for you personally to have a gun Ars? Because honestly I don’t think most of the proposed laws would do that.
Don’t take it personally, love you guys. Yeah though, I felt bad too, so… Guilt/Anxiety complexes are a thing?
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Including suicides, it’s around 30,000 every year. Contrasted with the 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year, that’s a number I’m extremely comfortable with. Sign me up!
Of course. There are varying degrees, though. One one end, there’s that guy who might, just for sake of argument, is a relatively new gun owner and doesn’t truly appreciate the rules for gun safety. I’m pretty sure that guy’s gonna shoot himself accidentally at some point.
There are also those who suffer from mental illness, that I personally know, who know that they shouldn’t have a gun. My dad is one of those peeps.
But the thing here is, I’m not for giving people some sort of mental fitness exam and basing their chance for owning a firearm on the results. Why? Because a) it’s none of my business, b) people who suffer from mental illness have the same rights as I, and c) my dad, for example, has chosen NOT to own a firearm. And that’s all good - live and let live.
I don’t want to tell you not to have sex for the all the money, Ars. I won’t tell you not to ingest all the drugz. I won’t tell you not to have an abortion. The thing about this guy, is I don’t wanna tell you ■■■■■■■ how to live your damn lives, and I recognize that some rights - our natural rights, yo - are not subject to the whims of government.
A drunken Ars with a .30-06 is the price we must all pay for living in a civilized society. Like taxes. Or death. Or Trump? (I channeled Stocky.)
You should feel sad, as he is a glorious human. One of the best, ok? Believe me, the absolute best! INJECT THE LYSOL.
Thanks, man! To toot me own horn, I carry a pistol every day. Like, seriously, every day. I’m also pretty responsible, shoot often to maintain my skillz, etc., etc.
True that.
Why are we showing mercy to one another? NO MERCY!
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Because a difference in opinion does not mean eternal personal enmity in every single case.
Though I shall make an exception of that rule especially for @MickityMike 
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I absolutely believe that beyond anything in my heart, but there is no way for anyone to flag it so… here we are.
Always love you.
I respect the ■■■■ out of that. Literally, it’s a thing I think comes witht he responsibility I described earlier.
I feel both of the things you put up before this and will raise you another - a person I don’t trust at all with handgun that needs it for his pharmacy business.
And neither of us are in the business for settling that, you’re right-
But ■■■■■■■ someone should be is my argument.
Damn, hard take.
I’ll buy it though.
Please don’t lol. I don’t mean that as anything negative to you - if you conceal carry responsibly, great.
I’v ejust met a lot of open carry people that I’m convinced are using it as a metaphorical dick, and you’re better than that.
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This I was very much aware of - we’ve had this exact same discussion in this thread before. That is why the ‘assault-style’ label was applied. Which the ArmaLIte Rifle very much is (and was marketed as such), as well as being a very relevant example of why governments may want to legitimately restrict the sale of such weapons.
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And most guns are semi-auto.
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Yes. I know. Hence “assault-style” not “assault”. Not sure why this is an issue?
So ban a weapon by how it looks but not by what it actually is; a semi-automatic. Which is the type of handgun the Canadian shooter supposedly used.
If he used a semi-auto gun, than why place “assault style” ban legislation if that’s not what he used?
I think this comes down to how you interpret the reporting, rather than anything else. The coverage you posted made it seem like the gunman only had a handgun. This is not correct. So, I’m bowing out of this discussion.
Handgun, rifle, whatever, not an “assault style” weapon. “Assault style” must mean any gun that takes an innocent life.