#61

[quote=“Wumgum, post:49, topic:4521792, full:true”]
Like I was saying the Boom Sickle has about the same DPS as a Kaoson. If one counts then so should the other and vice versa.
[/quote] koason has way more dps than a boomsickle unannointed. The boom sickle just doesnt scale as good as it should. It tickles. I can kill a badass relatively fast witj the koasons i have and they aint anointed for me. I havent gotten a full auto yet.

I use a boomsickle. Its just a tickle. Itsa shame realy.

The yellow cake is about perfect positioning and all characters can so massive dmg. With itm the 2x makes it miles easier. It doesnt need an anoint to be viable. Before i got my x2 i would dropdown and sometimes insta katagawa.

#62

This is exactly what I’m talking about, you are absolutely correct…partly. If I run a Boom Sickle on my sweet grenade/weapon damage MindSweeper mod I can destroy all sorts of stuff. I take it off and the Boom Sickle is very subpar.

All these weapons work differently on different characters and builds. So is it trash or not? If one person says “X weapon works great” and he’s not even running the same Vault Hunter as me (which also changes Class mod) or even has skill points in a different manner than me on the same Vault Hunter…the gun will behave differently.

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#63

Stumpy youre completely derailing the topic for ur moze.

Op did explain it well enough.

The general gist is weapons anyone can pick up n kick ass without annointments and not needing special builds.

Theres a meta of mostly the 3 cartel weapons and odd m6+ exclusive drops.

And a very tiny few weapons right now. Theyre just all around good guns regardless of build.

#64

You totally miss the point of a true weapon test. It’s not just about Moze, every Vault Hunter uses different weapons at different levels of performance based on skill trees and class mods. I can make a junk gun on Amara a boss killer on Zane if that makes you feel better. A true test removes as many variables as possible.

I will leave you folks to it. My apologies to you all.

#65

try to make a westerngun stronger than a kaoson
with video
you wont

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#66

Wheres my pewpew pics?! I wssted my life killing in the claptrap trap trap trap cave trap trap. Im now spinning i actually dozed off playing. A bunch grease craps and a cake no extra pews. Give me ur pews… Ur.pewpews… Nopewpews your sad krudy moars

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Think of the Children!

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#67

If an unanointed Boom Sickle doesn’t deserve a place here, neither a Hellshock nor a Maggie does. They can still be good with the right anointment.

That said, the Reflux needs to be added. Great mobbing gun when there are a few enemies around.

#68

My main gun is the Kaoson. Not only is it one of the most viable weapons, it is also really fun to use.
It is responsive and very satisfying. I will never get tired of those stickies crackling away and doing mad damage.

In the past we have been tied in to guns that are essential but not fun to use, like the Cutsman.
So ‘Long Live the Kaoson’.

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#69

yea, i am really happy, this gun is so cool and not just bland OP

#70

It probably was said, but any x2 Recursion especially on Amara is a beast.
In fact for 2+ enemy zones it works better and has more ammo than the yellowcake. For instance you can go to Tam and Zam in DLC 2 and one shot one of them. The Fabricator in DLC1? One shot. Wotan when he splits? One shot to the top half, no shields to the bottom. Basically any boss with lots of little buddies? One shot.

But all around the best for all classes: The Kaoson, Yellowcake, Anarchy

#71

i hear a lot of people on the forums talk about the kaoson, i have found 1, to bad with a bit of a bad annoint, but i feel it is a bit underperforming. are there any specific stats needed to the kaoson to make it badass, maybe a specific element that makes it better? my Kaoson is corrosive element btw with the cyberspike annoint, but an unannointed corrosive lob with 15k dmg (so nowhere near max) out performs it with me.

#72

The kaoson might not overpower a lob against slow moving enemies with large hitboxes, but with a decent anoint, a good build, and maybe a com with smg damage it is far more reliable. Hitting crits is key, as the explosive sticky pile on and essentially double your crit dmg. For fast moving or flying enemies it is far more viable especially because you can shoot from much farther away using cover to avoid damage. With the lob you really got to go in harms way to land multiple shots.

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#73

Have used hell shock, kaoson, lob, yellow cake and pew pew, all without useful/any annointments on most of my characters and all clear m10 with relative ease.

#74

Honnestly, for running all of those gun : The boom sickle is not even close in term of DPS, if not for my Amara “max accuracy” build (I think she’s the character with the highest possible boost to accuracy) it tickle. With enough accuracy you can full crit the head of enemy, and even there it only become “okay”.

The hellshock and the maggie do much better on most build/characters. I agree they’re still subpab compared to the Kaoson, sandhawk …

#75

Know that i understand your point, and I think most people did, it’s just that the aim of this poll is not to determine, in a true test what weapon are viable and how much. I mean I didn’t even set a proper time limit for killing annointed nor which kind, just a “decent time”.

In short it’s just trying so see what weapon can be decent on mostly every build without a special set of bonus attached to it (But yeah, basically all gun are most efficient with a phaze zerker build, that’s a gun oriented build, than with a Rakk pack build by example)

#76

Well then my experience is completely different than yours. The Hellshock maybe, but the Maggie is highly debatable. Just because of the element/splash dmg any Boom Sickle is still better than the Maggie for both Amara and Moze.

#77

One thing I’d like to point out with all of this Boom Sickle talk. The base weapon is called a Sickle. The Boom part is a variation of the Sickle.
Outside of the Boom, all Sickles are absolutely useless…

Any Kaoson I have picked up just plain works. I prefer some types over others, but have not found one I could not use.

Just making this clarification…

#78

yea
the boomsickle is the only viable sickle
but now, even this variant is useless xD

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#79

Really surprised Night Hawkin isn’t getting love. Still an amazing gun.

#80

Also redstributor is still amazing. I use a 53 one still in 57 M10.