Nah.
Quality rebuttal right here.
Really? REALLY??
You enjoy getting a 100kb download that litterally changes a 0 to a 1 in the code?
Pre order DLC (disc locked content in these cases, since you download a single digit) is terrible, you arnt getting anything, youâre just not having anything hidden from you.
Physical stuff is so much better because it doesnât affect the game in anyway (EG ** pre order to get exclusive OP weapon!!!**) it doesnât split the player base (pre order to revive this map!!!).
If I pre order a game and get a plastic figurine (Marquis if GBX is looking for ideas) or a holographic trading card I have been rewarded for my faith with something useless, but cool. I now have something special but no one who decided to pick up the game at a later date has to experience an incomplete product.
And donât get me started on store exclusive pre order stuff, for some games itâs actually impossible to own the entire product without buying 3-4 copies at a different shops.
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Nah.
To clear things up.
As I said I donât like pre-order bonuses as generally used. Beta access is okay, minor cosmetics are okay, but way too many out there seem to offer exclusive maps or exclusive weapon sets and the like. It gets especially frustrating if they make something, beyond beta access, limited to which place you pre-order from.
Anyone who actually pre-orders (I havenât yet, as I havenât seen enough yet to plop $60 down) isnât going to need the beta to encourage them to buy the game. Giving them guaranteed beta is just a small reward.
I may need beta first to guarantee that Iâll buy the game myself. Of course Iâd prefer that publishers make proper demos of the finished product but those days seem long gone⌠I still remember when the Doom demo came out on the Software Creations BBS, and how the iD guys would chat in the forums there, even the two Johns (this was all before the Internet really was that accessible to the public). Very few games offer proper demos of finished product these days. Big multiplayer games likely will have beta events that we may be lucky to get into before release so they can test their servers, but that isnât final code being tested (well⌠sometimes if not oftentimes it is just a publicity stunt to sub for a demo which corrupts the term beta so that when people experience a proper beta they get upset at how buggy it is).
Anyhow, I agree with blackheart, I hate physical pre-order stuff. Iâm not going to get a physical copy of the game (unless itâs a console game, but I donât pre-order console games period). Iâm not going to go to Best Buy or Game Stop or anything like that to pre-order or buy the game. I especially hate the way in game items differ from place to place. Itâs fine if itâs a timed exclusive, but then that stuff better be a free DLC later on. The exception to this may be pre-orders direct from the developer/publisher offering early access or guaranteed beta access, but all other location based pre-order exclusives have to die. And as I stated stated near the start, the only pre-order exclusives there should be at all are minor cosmetics, nothing really to do with the game itself. Assassinâs Creed Black Flagâs game play exclusives like full islands or ships being elusive to one retailer or not was bad. A certain skin is okay, but again, that needs to be available to all after a period of time (less than a year). Weapon exclusives are bad, unless everyone is getting a functionally similar weapon, which amounts to basically a skin difference and again that exclusive has to be available to all as a free DLC at some point. The only place I ever pre-order is via Steam or direct from the publisher/developer and their platform (I pre-ordered Witcher 3 for example directly through GOG as it was cheaper after importing my Steam codes to it which dropped the price, and I knew Iâd be playing Witcher 3 for long enough to make it worth the money).
Will I pre-order Battleborn? Not yet. Itâs way too early to tell. If I get into a beta (pre-NDA drop or after) will probably help decide that. Not being in a beta itâll really depend on what I see of it after an NDA drop from Streamers and YouTubers, which likely means itâll be really close to launch anyhow. It looks like a sure fire buy, but itâs just too early to tell yet.
Again quality discussion.
Youâre sick of having this argument, but we havnt heard it yet. Copy paste it from an another website if you must. But please this is a discussion about DLC and digital pre-order bonuses in which your point of view has been a 3 letter word and a full stop to get you over the minimum character limit.
Please enlighten us.
Nah.
Youâre WAYYYY too mad. Not interested in engaging in that. No thanks.
Im really not mad at all.
Im just curious as you are the first person Iâve ever seen to support this kind of stuff.
Long story short about DLC in general:
Due to inflation making the power of the dollar drop so much, but games remaining at $60 for a long damn time, games are cheaper to buy than ever before. At the same time, costs to develop them have skyrocketed. This is not sustainable. This is why âmiddle tierâ games have disappeared, leaving only small indies or monster blockbusters. Either the cost to develop has to drop, or we gotta pay more. DLC is an ok solution in the meantime.
I also donât buy into the conspiracy that most DLC was cut from the game just for the sole purpose to charge for it later. Thatâs nonsense. Games have more content than theyâve ever had, on the whole.
Tl;dr version: gamers have it better than ever but they canât stop whining about it. We demand more but donât want to pay more.
I wish games were $60âŚ
But anyway, I mostly agree with you, games have become ludicrosly expensive to make (goddamn Destiny) and publishers need money.
I support quality DLC (in my opinion all of Borderlands post-release stuff, outside of skins, has been of high quality and worth it). However there is still a lot of crap DLC out there.
Pre-order unlockables are in fact single digit files. The Creature Slaughter Dome was on-disc, there were signs advertising it all through the vanilla game. It was locked out to try and get people to pay before reviews came out.
Im especially glad the concept of a âMap Packâ is dying, because for all but the biggest games it was usually better NOT to own it since youâd be stuck with a smaller player-pool, nowadays most games give out extra maps for free and charge for stuff that wont break up player pools.
Honestly it would probably be better if gaming budgets went down, a lot. Good games dont need 100s of people working on them and 100+ million dollar budgets. But its never going to happen, because any downgrade in graphics or technical stuff would be met with immense backlash.
More flexability in prices wouldnt hurt either. A retail game is $60, but not all games are equal (compare say a 6 hour shooter to Skyrim), some of Sonyâs games have retailed for $40 even though they were full sized (its just that they didnt expect a platformer to sell well, and sadly they were right).
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If anything all I really expect as a pre-order bonus is skins for the characters. Anything above that, digitally, would be a little much. A friend of mine thinks it may be an additional character, but I doubt it.
I would doubt extra character as well. Being a game that is designed to be competitive and MOBA-ish, locking players out of a character would be a big blow to the gameâs potential reputation as a serious competitive game.
yeah, 2K already did it once with Evolve (, which is knocking on deaths door)
i doubt theyâd make the same mistake so soon.
Considering Evolve lost nearly all itâs playerbase in a single month (May have been faster than Titanfall, hah), itâs already past the door. Itâs on the other side of the river Styx now.
But the characters you had from Pre-order on Evolve was unlockable without pre-order (It was more like a boost) as far as i remember?
Where did they do it? I am playing Evolve since launch and you couldnât get ANY extra content that wasnât also available for all others. With my pre-order of Evolve I got the 4th Monster thatâs it but that was available for all other players too. Same goes for the set of Hunters that you could purchase.
There is no doubt that 2K made a lot of mistakes in their DLC policy with Evolve especially the way overpriced cosmetic DLCs but they never split the play base in privileged pre-order and unprivileged non pre-order customers.
A shame that this game received such a shitstorm all over the internet as itâs actual a really unique and great multiplayer experience.
I can only hope that 2K learned from this mistake because I donât want to see another great game such as Battleborn receive such a negative response due to wrong marketing and bad DLC policy!
i think i was talking about the reputation and dlc focused marketing more than anything else
it looks the only reason i havenât bought is 'cus everyone says itâs dead
so do i but you know; publishers will always be publishers
Unfortunately 
Youâre on the forums, therefore you have a SHiFT account. Thatâs all there is to the beta, it will be starting off closed and then growing to SHiFT account holders. There is no need for a pre-order that will give access to the beta, itâs asinine.
here you go 
Edit: Peoples thoughts?
I think these are perfect pre-order incentives - itâs something fun for completionists and completely inessential for everybody else.
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