Pvp lore challenges should be obtainable against bots

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#29

I stand corrected. I flew over the lore unlocks yesterday, must have mistaken it as play games WITH Ambra, which doesnt make sense in hindsight.

Now I cant make up my mind, whats more annoying.
WF having to kill someone who can turn invisible, but is a pretty commonly picked character.
Or Galilea, who is pretty good in securing a kill with her attack while sprinting, while Ambra isnt the most popular after the pre-release nerf.
But Ambra seem to be picking up from my experience the last days, so good luck to all Galilea lore hunters out there : )

#30

I agree completely but that’s based purely on the kill a specific character X amount of times with a specific character.

Now in my experience it’s horrendous having to hope the enemy team picks who I need, case in point:

I don’t like the melee playstyle so I decided to get Galelia out of the way (kill Ambra 25 times). I’d never played as her before so she was rank 1, no mutations etc & I was learning to play as I was going along.
Now according to my career stats screen I’ve had 36 PvP matches as her & she’s now rank 11. I have all of her lore finished except for (you guessed it) Ambra kills. In 36 games I’ve had her be on the enemy team 3 times & got 7 kills out of it.

It would be nice to have a more reliable way to get the character specific kill requirements for the lore.

Whiskey Foxtrot has it much easier because almost every game has an Oscar Mike on both teams as he’said so popular but for the lesser used characters it’s a nightmare.

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#31

Yes that way pvp isn’t ruined.

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#32

I have to agree, double the amount you need and let us do thrse challenges in versus private, you want people to enjoy your game not feel dread at the idea of grinding challenges, on top of that it makes no sense you can earn most things on normal mode which is so easy it’s ludicrous, but you can’t earn things on private versus

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#33

I totally agree. I don’t think the lore challenges should be something super hard to get and many, if not most, aren’t. I mean, look at Montana. His hardest lore challenge is to kill people with lumberjack dash and anyone with any sense will do that challenge in the campaign, not pvp. So I see no issue with letting you do pvp bot matches for lore.

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#34

Annoyingly Oscar Mike seems to be a rare find in pvp now, I’m on 8/25 kills with wf but haven’t seen Oscar in over a day of trying

#35

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#36

I agree.

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+1

The PvP in this is terrible for Lore. Kill a specific character, that DOESN’T have PvP Lore mind you, 25 times?!

Hit all 5 enemies Players with an ability? Any 5 Players?

Get a Double Kill with Toby’s Worthless Ultimate?

Troll much GBX?

These are all AWFUL and would be better served being allowed in Solo or PvE. As it is, there’s Lore, which PvE Players tend to care about a lot more than PvP Players ANYWAY, stuck behind an awful PvP experience.

No matchmaking.
Steam rolling characters. (Alani, Montana, and Isic all say “Hi Toby!”)
PuG? Prepare to get rolled by the Pre-Mades that the lack of matchmaking puts you up against.

Simply TERRIBLE.

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#37

Agree, I refuse to use Ambra in pvp situations cause I don’t feel like being target #1 on the priority list if they have a Gali on board desperate enough to push into unreasonable circumstances to chase the kill. Already enough stunning and silencing going on with Alani and Rath being fairly OP in meltdown at the moment to add that headache to the mix.

#38

[quote=“zesban, post:36, topic:1406772”]As it is, there’s Lore, which PvE Players tend to care about a lot more than PvP Players ANYWAY, stuck behind […] PvP experience.
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That’s a very good statement, from my point of view.

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#39

Yeah, I agree with this, or even having alternative pathways for PvE and PvP to unlock the lore challenges, like the Character unlocks have alternative methods to unlock.

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#40

More thoughts on this…

It’s not like it’d be much better if they did allow this anyway. So I don’t think is a ridiculous ask at all.

You’re still waiting for the bots to choose the character you have to kill 25 times. You’re still trying to hit 5 characters at once. But the bots aren’t devious, murderous, psychopathic blood spilling machines like your average PvP Player is. So it would make the Lore Challenges a lot more viable for PvE Players.

The way it is now would be like making all those PvE challenges only possible on Advanced Hardcore with a 5 Player team. Then it wouldn’t just be an annoyance for a PvP Player, it would be downright impossible for some. They’d have to wait until they got a great team, that also cared to let them get their Lore done instead of just winning, and that would carry them while they did less than optimal things in many cases to accomplish that Lore Challenge. Sound familiar?

So maybe if we can’t get PvP challenges done against bots, we should ask that PvE challenges become like that. Fair is fair, right?

Or maybe the PvP challenges are just a bad design decision that needs to be rectified altogether.

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#41

I picked BB over OW because of having both PvE and PvP and the inclusion of RPG elements. My roommate feels the same. I think one issue with PvP exclusive lore achievements is they absolutely require a group and are often based on which character an opponent picks while almost every PvE exclusive achievement I can think of can be done solo and are often much easier solo.

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#42

If you are talking about Alani’s Riptide achievement then that is doable in PvE as well.

#43

It was working, but stopped working yesterday. I had a group of 4 friends help me test it and we tried to trigger it in a Story Mission and it wouldn’t trigger. I’m still at 10/50. =(

#44

Ahhh bummer. :frowning:

#45

I’m guessing this is dead in the water, shame but i didnt think they would do this_

#46

Def. I was looking foward to doing gale. , ambra, etc but those 25 kills are impossible with no one playing those characters due to the nerfs. On another very important note. I was in a match today with an Ambra in my team and a Gale. on the other. Our Ambra took like 2 mins to start playing and when she did…she just went to the mid thralls and let the gale kill her 8 times before our team surrended. I recorded it on my xbox and reported it. Obviously the gale messaged him/her asking for free kills to complete the lore challenge. …that was so wrong on so many levels. I wish I could post a pic of it on here …

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#47

I have seen an Ambra on the enemy team maybe 5x in the last 100 matches. With a player appearing that rarely, I shouldn’t really be surprised at what players will do to complete a lore challenge that was horribly designed. I’m honestly surprised I haven’t see posts on any of the various forums calling for organized matches to trade kills.

If a player skipping out on helping during a PvP match to go after lore challenges or to help another player complete them bothers you, don’t call for action against the players; call out Gearbox to change the lore in such a way that it won’t negatively affect matches.

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#48

Exactly but i fear this will go unlistened to. :pensive: