#43

Id rather not have someone with your mindset on my team. Good riddens imo. Ba bye. If all you care about is winning then I feel sorry for ya.

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#44

And that’s why we need to have a ranked queue. So that people like you who don’t give a ■■■■ can play the other one.

It would solve both problems.

#45

Doesnt mean I dont care. Stop reading into it too much. Just means I dont quit ahead of time not knowing the outcome or thinking you know the outcome before you join a game. Two seperate different points.

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#46

So you enjoy gambling when the odds are stacked against you? We can play some cash games if you’d like.

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#48

Don’t worry, as a 31 year old with a full time job I completely understand how your time is valuable and you do not want to waste an evening you had planed for playing Battleborn instead acting as PvP tutor to low lvls.

Unfortunately youngsters with all the time in the world simply cannot relate and will just berate you.

You have put your case across clearly and it is clear you aren’t causing any issues for anyone else apart from a slightly longer queue time and are also managing to spend your limited game time doing something you enjoy!

Kids today seem to have been born into a world of games full of mental hooks to keep them addicted with lvl ups and gear unlocks. This has caused them to think of games as work and for them to need a reward based incentive to even play. They are unable to realise that a game is just entertainment and that the playing of the game is supposed to be fun.

As such your quest for fun is at a complete odds of their games are work mentality. Why should you be able to play only for fun? :slight_smile:

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#50

And when there’s no decent answer we resort to name-calling, great way to make your argument. I’ve been around on forums long enough not to care but afaik you’re breaking the rules of this one.

I’m just questioning the reasoning and logic behind some of the posts here since some of it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

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#52

I’m not a kid i have a full time job, in fact I’m only just shy of 30, difference is i don’t have a self entitled attitude to games where i think I’m more important than anyone I’m queueing with, does that make me the bad guy? Nope and it doesn’t make the people backing out bad guys either, but it does come across as cowardly. I will also say to the person who has started name calling there is no need for that, i never wanted to start of a bickering match i just wanted to say it’s a bit selfish to leave instantly

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#53

If your time is so valuable as to actively not playing with those of a lower CR (despite it being clear that its not a measure of skill or knowledge), why dont you form a team with your friends? That way you wont match with lower CRs if you have a 5 person team.

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#55

@sebspace
New to xbox, moved continents so there’s a time zone gap, young kid, job that makes you travel, don’t know anyone who bought Battleborn,… And those are just some of my reasons, I’m sure there’s plenty of other ones.

Personally, I’m slowly building up a friends list for this game but if you just want to jump in for a game or 2 you might be spending as much time looking for people as you’re spending time playing.

That’s for example what makes HoTS an OK game, despite some lack of depth. You know you won’t be playing against a 5 stack, you know the players in the game will generally be in your ELO range and you know the game will be over ~30min after queueing.

As for CR vs skill, I agree it’s not a great measure of skill but someone with a CR of under 10 (or even 20) will most likely not know the basics. (map knowledge, shards, characters, helixes, …)

@BOABulldog no, and I see your point and I think it comes down to a difference in what we’re looking for when queuing up. E.g. I think I played 5 PvP games throughout the evening yesterday (have to double check history).

The first one I got queued for meltdown with a 4 stack and invited to their xbox party, for 3 games the other team got kinda stomped. Was it fun? Sure to some extent for me but not so much for the people who couldn’t leave their base. Was it fair? No

4th I queued up with one of the above people and the game was okish, I can’t remember the flow of that game well.

5th we got a surrender vote at min 9 (~87 - 99 on overgrowth) but we came back despite have 2 low CR players who basically only fed most of the game. If I hadn’t been playing Thorn, who’s a bit too strong imho, there wouldn’t have been any chance.
While it was a win it was also frustrating to see a Deande beating on people while they’re just standing still, knowing that each kill is making her stronger.

This is my frustration with the current match making system. Yes it’ll get you a game but more often than not there are massive skill gaps or group stomps.

@Tokesy97 Sure, great initiative! FYI discord is ok (personally I don’t like it all that much) but console players might not be as interested to join a PC app.

#57

I have issues that cause the same thing, but that didnt stop me from quickly making more than enough friends to play with drop in drop out. So they are not excuses.

#58

I am not too sure why you think bravery and cowardice are labels that cab be given to someone playing a game. It seems like you are taking something meaningless and a form of entertainment way too seriously and using terms that would apply to someone facing a genuine risk or danger. This is just a game and using such terms really comes across as if a game is being taken way to seriously.

In regards to self entitlement, I have no idea where you get that from when you are a paying customer investing your money and time in a form of entertainment. Someone is very much entitled to play the game in a way they find enjoyable when it has no impact on anyone else enjoyment of the game.

In-fact the only ones here who is trying to impact someone else (who has paid for the game also) enjoyment are the ones saying that the OP must play their way or not at all.

Finally the Op never started name calling. A poster challenged him in the thread he created and he countered their points. That isn’t name calling that’s providing a concise reply to the posts. Just because people entered into a debate and put across the weaker argument doesn’t mean you/they have been wronged. In fact there are many posts hidden due to the fact the poster abandoned a rational debate and resorted to name calling and insults - the very things you are accusing the OP of!

#59

I never accused the op of name-calling, shows how well you are actually reading what i write!

#60

Yeah I noticed this just after I posted and edited quickly to correct. It seems you posted before my corrections though. So sorry! I genuinely mistook you for the guy that has all his posts hidden due to insults!

#61

No, it was just a quick mistake made whilst trying to post quickly whilst at work!

just human error and no malice intended.

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#62

This is exactly how i feel with the current matchmaking system. If they want to keep the first come first serve matchmaking, then they need to add a ranked or ELO based matchmaking too. There is just too much of skill gap to make the game fun when both lows/no skill players are matched up with high skill/experianced players.

I suggest you read that post again. Not once did I mention the word win.

#63

Nay bother

#64

This is why you shouldn’t be able to see other people’s levels when queing.

It shouldn’t show any details, it should find 10 people and start the game balancing around those 10 players.

The attitude that leaving is OK is actually one that will kill the game. It stuffs the matchmaking system by artificially changing team makeups and the effect any real matchmaking can have and actually just means you are more likely to be the all 100 team facing level 20s, which is often a curb stomp. This also destroys new players enjoyment of the game and makes it more likely that new players won’t continue playing, removing player base growth.

If anything, leaving as the teams are being formulated should stop you from queueing for a short period, say 3-5 minutes. Not long enough to have an effect on anyone leaving for a legit reason. But it stops people cherry picking their team.

If you’re someone who does this it says ALOT about you, and none of it good.

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#65

Just an aside, some players aren’t interested in learning or are unteachable.

Me: “Hey, Miko. Maybe let Oscar Mike handle the lane and you move with the team so Montana stops dieing before we hit midfield”

Mikonoob: “I’m not a healing Miko”

Me: “I am trying to kill you with my mind right now”

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#66

This is always going to be true and doesn’t stop someone from being a high CR.
In fact a low CR means a new player, and has nothing to do with someone not being able to learn.

Below 10 does, fair enough, mean they are very new, but depending on their gaming experience they still might be better than someone at 100, although obviously held back by item/build limitations If they spent the what 8 hours to get to 10 playing a single hero then they should have a solid foundation to go from.

The thing to remember here is that people who are queue hopping are actually abusing the system to stack teams. The claims they just want a good game simply doesn’t hold true. They don’t leave when they are on the team of four other 100s, against all under 20s. THat’s not going to be a competitive game.

I’d agree adding a competitive queue is warranted, but if it was added, there should be no option to leave it once teams are forming, and it should have a minimum CR requirement, or more ideally bracketed CR matchmaking, so 1-30 are placed together or whatever covers the far less experienced, and everyone else above that is put together.

Everyone wants the matchmaking to work. But it’s being abused for personal benefit at the moment, which is why there are so many complaints about it, because people who aren’t selfish are getting stuck in stacked games.

If you’re stacking teams so that both are mainly very high CR, that’s cool. But that’s not really what’s happening.

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#67

I do not understand why we need to blame differences in playstyle. Some (like me), just want to play exciting games with decent teammates. We do not want to teach level 4 noobs how to play and only get frustrated when we play a certain losing game. So we quit in matchmaking. Others like to teach the utter noobs how this game is played and enjoy this. What is the problem? Just accept we all like to enjoy Battleborn in different ways. No need to call me a selfish gamer. I am just selfish according to your standards, but that is irrelevant. I personally find it extremely disapointing Gearbox is unable to make a normal matchmaking. How can you possibly pair a level 1 with a level 100 veteran in a MOBA.

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