Rath is NOT OP, THORN IS!

Battleborn Battleborn General Discussion
#29

I only use thorn and yeah for me she is kinda OP. I regularly get most kills in whole game on PvP or Highest damage and most kills on PvE. If you play her right and cocentrate all her gear and helix on Skill damage then yeah she is an absolute beast. A well trio’d skill unleash (both skills and ultimate) then she can hit way way over 1500+. sometimes 2000+. I agree with this post A LOT! and thats why i love her and wont be changing ever! The key to it is her passive ‘natures curse’ that deals an extra 25% skill damage or extra 35% with helix upgrade and then her skills and especially her ultimate hits like a runaway train!! and as previously said she can do all of this damage from range. I played a game about 25 mins ago and got a triple kill from my ultimate on overgrowth from a long long way away! they didnt even know i was shooting at them!

thorn is how i quite often get 15-20+ kills a game and also how i obtained the ‘worthy of song’ title (kill 25 battleborn in a single match)

but just for the record, i do have trouble when fighting a good rath…he is definitely also pretty darn powerful! a good rath is always not a nice sight to see on the opposite team!

#30

Thorn’s helix prob needs some adjustments, like her instant access to slow to her aoe makes her nearly unmatched in wave clear.

Rath on the other hand, barely an average player can spin to win with him. People claim he’s too squishy and needs to get in close, but most games are in relatively close combat.

#31

I think her AoE’s are what irks people, with her is the fastest face melting of Rendian on Heliophage advanced I’ve seen so far.

Thorn is way better at AoE’s than Benedict, which is kind funny given she’s a sniper.

#32

Funny Thorn is actually the one you listed where she has been in almost every “top character” list I have seen. I don’t think she is OP but she is not one of the weaker characters in the game. If she was I wouldn’t see her in almost every match I have played including the CTT and BETA. The other characters you listed I agree with, and they see much less play than the stronger characters.

#33

I put her there because i’ve seen multiple threads asking for a buff for her (especially early on), and because i have NEVER encountered a Thorn player that gave me any trouble. I know they are out there, but such has been my experience.

#34

I don’t really see her as a sniper, Have you tried actually sniping with Thorn? It gets harder to hit people the further away you are from them because you have to lead the shots unlike Marquis. Most good Thorn players I have played against are usually using her Mid-range so they can hit with both arrows and her skills. I would think she is more of a caster because of where she operates at maximum efficiency, sure she can’t spam her arrows fast but they are strong an much easier to hit at mid range than close or far away.

1 Like
#35

Yea, I’m only saying she’s a sniper based on what Gearbox puts on her info card. They also say she’s advanced. but the only barrier I see is aim. All her buttons are straight up DPS after all. An aim-botter can do wonders with her.

Kleese is advanced, Thorn, not so much.

#36

That’s probably because Thorn is less of an assassin and more of Area/Minion control. She is kind of like Oscar Mike in that, yes her AOE does alot of damage but it is usually better to use on minions than players. Thorn should be in more of a wave clear role than actually attacking players. She can attack players but is that really where/what she should be doing considering her abilities target more than one target. You normally won’t consider her the problem as to why you are losing a match but she probably is if there is a Thorn.

#37

No, i meant that all of the Thorn players i’ve encountered have sucked OVERALL, not that i’ve never had trouble fighting them (though this is also true); sorry for the confusion. It’s just like where i’ve seen some pretty amazing WF players, and yet most comments i’ve seen about him say he is a liability most of the time.

#38

Yea, I’ve come to the conclusion that Gear box made one hell of a great game but if you ask them to describe any part of it they can’t find the correct words to do so.

#39

That could be because people rag on WF on the forums then “decent” players read about it online, try him out, and find out he is actually quite good once you start unlocking his helix choices (What I did). Until you unlock his helix choices he is not so good, which is probably why most people say he is bad because they don’t actually unlock anything for him.

#40

Same with S&A for me; i adored the character(s), theme, and kit, but i just couldn’t make them work at first. Then i discovered that the 2 sec stun helix makes ALL the difference.

#41

As I read this comment I replaced “Thorn” with “Whiskey Foxtrot” for those first three sentences.
I really like playing as Foxtrot.

1 Like
#42

Lol, glad you found a good way to play Shayne to your liking but I have a really high KD with Shayne and Aurox and found quite the opposite. I hate the two second stun, the regular pull already has a psuedo stun in that if you are already attacking and you then get pulled in by Shayne you have to actaully release the attack button and press it again to attack anyway. I found that the 2 second stun didn’t feel more useful than using the mechanics in your favor. But I also like to pull people in as they are running away or to heal (Overshield).

#43

Well, i mostly sit back and hurl boomerangs, while saving the stun for people who come after me. I do miss the pull, but i found myself pulling minions alot. It’s funny to me how i can nail people in the head with Toby’s railgun from across the map, but can’t aim S &A’s fetch for ■■■■.

#44

Oh man, I feel like a sniper with S&A’s fetch but as soon as I play Ghalt I can’t hit the broad side of a barn with his hook so I feel you there.

#45

oh yeah she really isnt a sniper. The ONLY time i snipe and its only briefly is when i have to take down or keep a marquis occupied or someone that is sniping our team. But definitely not a sniper, if you try play thorn as a long range sniper dont expect many kills whatsoever, you will be more of a occupier and maybe a slight nuisance lol.

#46

Thorn has crazy power but as others said, she is difficult to handle. For one, your aim has to be really good to be anywhere decent with her, her bow draw takes a bit long which I’m sure not everyone can get used to, she can’t stand in one spot like a sniper for too long, and needs to be constantly moving which is why she has such high mobility. That being said her run jump and shoot combined with her bow draw makes things a bit difficult while trying to use her if you have ■■■■■■ aiming skills.

I really consider rath as the most op because he’s so “pick up and play” that anyone can get their best game out of him.

#47

Rath is a one trick pony though, he gets in uses all of his abilities then gets out. He doesn’t have an escape so he gets punished hard if he doesn’t kill or anyone uses a CC ability on him. Also a large amount of the characters in the roster can just cancel Rath’s ult mid use, no other character can have their ult cancelled as easily.
Rath doesn’t have a large amount of HP or shields so if you dodge or he misses his skills he is pretty much a sitting duck. He is a melee character and has to dive in to do anything. I really don’t think he needs a nerf, and from my experience in the game after playing against him most players can easliy counter Rath after they find out his one trick.

TLDR: Rath is THE noob killer in the game, once you learn how to play he is much less of a threat.

#48

I disagree with the op. :slight_smile:
I have no consistent trouble with thorn. If there’s a good player, yes, but it should be that way for every character. Played against several different thorns today of varying effectiveness. But I can’t say I’ve yet felt she’s ever been op.

2 Likes