Rath does the same damage IF YOU STAY IN HIS RANGE. He seems to be working as intended.
You just shotdown yourself lol ā¦ He kills you IF he hits you nonstop - cause you know ā¦ you could just jump, run, CC him ā¦ - āIF YOU STAY IN HIS AOEā, well duh ā¦ again just run, jump, CC, whatever ā¦ not that hard or rocket science.
Iāve survived countless Rath encounters just by being aware of his presence and you know, run ?
Of course if youāre low on health, not aware of your surroundings or youāre unlucky and actually face a good Rath player you prolly get your arse kicked but thatās not the chars fault.
Crippling a game character and cry foul just because people canāt get to know the game mechanics, after all itās his ult, it IS supposed to be powerful ā¦ tbh if this is like this in beta i donāt want to imagine whatās gonna be like when the game goes live.
This really is one of the reasons why iām still on the fence on buying the game, gonna wait until it releases and see how GBX handles this, if it starts to be a nerf fest like Destiny it prolly wonāt last long.
Weāre on the same side here buddy. His ult is too mobile for the amount of damage that it does, and the fact that thereās CC in the game doesnāt make it any less OP. Thatās what Iāve been saying the entire time.
Holy crap I didnāt realize this got so many replies.
Of course there are counters to Rathās ultimate, but when comparing it to other ultimates, itās the easiest to use and does the most damage.
My main point was comparing his ultimate to others. His is king. All you have to do is get close to someone. What other super does this?
super frustrating to be 30-0 and die and from a noob getting close to me and pressing y. What other characters attack based ultimate could I have not just run away from? Not many, right?
If rath gets close to you and presses Y, you are dead. 99% of characters can not just run away. The only hard counter is a CC, and what other characters ultimate is CC REQUIRED? Most other characters super you can just run away from. Rathās speed on his super is just as fast as run speed.This is the point.
End game incursion when you are literally in the other persons spawn, you canāt help but get close and this will result in numerous kills for rath, just pressing Y.
Name me another attack based ult that you canāt get away from by just runningā¦and that can take all your health in 3 secondsā¦
The point is that he can toss you up in the air and then buzzsaw you to death before you can hit the ground. Even without his popup, once his buzzsaw starts hitting you youāre taking so much damage that thereās pretty much nothing you can do thatāll stop him before youāre dead.
You can run away from Rath by knocking him back with a melee attack, doing a 180 and sprinting, which is standard procedure for dealing with melee characters that are in your face anyway. Thing is with Rathās ult is that itās completely interruptable, he needs to get close to you first (so being aware of his position and moving your own to maintain distance is a counter) and he canāt melee or use abilities during it, so it needs to do a load of damage or itāll pretty much be seen as useless, as it was pretty damn situational before when it didnāt do so much damage.
Iād say the problem with Rathās ult is how his kit can set up for it rather than the ult itself. The silence on his knockup is a killer. Still, I will say that itās a team based game and while you may be temporarily unable to interact, your teammate certainly can.
Iām talking as a guy who routinely saved his team as characters like Whiskey and Oscar by blocking Rath and meleeing him away from my allies, by the way. You can spare a second of Dreadwind damage in order to make sure he canāt get any more.
So, you consider him OP, because he can pop two long CDs one after the other to get a single kill without much resistance from the defending player. I can hear Marquis, Thorn and Oscar Mike laughing.
Okā¦ Now I donāt want to come off mean to you guys here, but if you look at your arguments on why rath is āOPā and then try and apply that to any other power character you can make a similar argument (not necessarily their ult but some aspect). Ghalt has dual wielded shotguns that have outrageous damage output and if used with his hook can almost guarantee a kill as well, same can be applied to characters like galilea, I.S.I.C and a couple more. But if you still canāt see it let me try to show you what I mean. 1. All characters in this game are either ranged or melee (obviously), so if you are a ranged character and let a rath get close enough to you to hit you with the entirety of his ult you have done something wrong and that was a fair kill. If you are a melee character your job is to fight him head on but you most definitely have some way to either block, silence, slow, stun, etc. His ult and if played right survive his ult. 2. Rath being a low health melee character cannot focus on things like the sentry tanks in incursion so his main role is to eliminate the enemy team to aid the ranged characters while they do what he cannot. That being said his ult should be a means of killing someone easier than when heās not using it. 3. The word ultimate means āthe best achievable or imaginable of its kindā this being said his ULTIMATE should be an attack that is far better than anything else he has and should give him the advantage in a one v one fight. 4. People have said that there is no other character can can kill someone as easily with their ult as rath this is just not true. I.S.I.C.'s ult has literally no end to it meaning his ult theoretically does the most damage in the game, this being theoretically unlimited. Also Oscar Mikeās ult does an incredibly high amount of damage and is not always easy to spot since there is so much going on in the game and if used well can almost guarantee you a kill. To those who said you could just walk away from his airstrike, canāt you do the exact same thing with rathās ult? It has severly reduced movement speed even with the perk at rank 10. Feel free to argue this post but Rathās ult is fine as is.
If the ānoobā got to level 5 without dying Iām pretty sure heās not a noob. Iām sorry but your logic is flawed.
Exactly, if a ānoobā kills you doesnāt that make you kind of a ānoobā as well? If X player is such a noob why did he manage to get the kill?
All valid points.
Isic, I can move away from and have a chance at surviving
Oscar Mike, I can just get out of it once I realize itās being used on me and have a chance of surviving
Rath, I canāt do either of those. His movement speed in his ultimate will keep up with me. It is literally an insta kill button. Especially coupled with his ability to silence you so you canāt silence him.
Iām sure gearbox will read the data and do what is necessary. And I get that Rath is a character that is mediocre, until he gets his ultimate. And heās a melee character so he needs to get up close.
But you canāt argue that there are tons of other melee characters in the game that donāt have an ultimate that canāt be escaped by just running away,
That is my only point.
I will still play this game regardless of what they do with Rath, but many people will feel cheated by getting one hit killed and all he had to do was get in there proximity, and press Y. Much less silence them and press Y for true overkill.
Rath being so easy a noob can get next to you and press Y for easy kill was what I was going for thereā¦
No ā¦ no youāre not. Iāve run dozens of times from him using various chars and iāve seen many people run away from me when using Rath - you do NOT have the same speed and mobility while doing it, itās one of itās drawbacks - just to finish me off because i wasnāt careful and i canāt defend myself while doing it.
Itās his job doing that, heās not a character that can just barge in a fight and have kills, even a very skilled Rath player will have a very difficult time trying to go against 1v2 and survive, much less make a kill.
You complain that itās frustrating that a ānoobā player can kill you with him but doesnāt the fact that you lost you map awareness and let a melee assassin creep on you and be face to face with you a ānoobā mistake ā¦?
I can easily use Benedict, double jump, stealthily glide over unsuspecting you and just ult you to submission as easily has chaining a silence with smash and then use dreadwind.
Or just go face to face with my Galilea shield, using desecrate to silence you, stun you and hack you away while youāre sitting there waiting to be over cause you canāt do anything about it.
Calling everyone who uses Rath ānoobsā and āunskilledā is rather uncalled for and just throws away all your arguments away down the āi canāt think of anything elseā lane tbh.
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I agree that the silence with knock up into ult does usually result in a kill but your teammates should still be able to help you out plus that is his role as a character, he is supposed to get kills and like I said if youāre playing a ranged character and you let him get close, then you screwed up and if you play a melee character, most have some form of block that can negate the ult even if you are silence. That being said my large post wasnāt necessarily directed toward you but more all the people who went out and tried to argue your point seemingly without truly thinking about what they were saying.
This is a team game, so if he is focusing one person, that person should coordinate with his team to help shut him down.
Why would you use/prime your CC skill before he uses his alt anyway? If he sees you priming it, then he has the option to to cancel it with his CC or just attack you until you use it. Force out the ult by damaging him, or if you is too squishy, then use your CC to retreat. His CC requires it to be primed too, so if youāre primed and see him going for it, use it to cancel his. Then you can run away, regroup with your team, or get to a safe distance and damage him from range and force him to retreat.
He doesnt like hearing that, trust me 
Kind of like saying just use CC or run away rightā¦?
Iāve made my argument, itās now a waste of my time to try to reiterate it over and over for those that just canāt seem to grasp WHY it is OP. Just waitā¦the forums will light up with ānerf Rathās Ultā posts once this game launches.
Eh. Hes right about some things. Rath is an āEasyā character and his Ult is also easy. I just dont think its that bad, even before i was Boldur. Especially since gali can gank you even quicker without an ult, its kind of silly to worry about Rath.