“I’ve made my argument, it’s now a waste of my time to try to reiterate it over and over for those that just can’t seem to grasp Why it is” NOT OP in any way. I would like you to read my long detailed comment above that explains why it is not OP. I believe I addressed your point as well…
No sir…
I don’t like it
Rath is fine. He is basically a melee character. Any nerf would make him unproductive.
Think rath is OP? try OP marquis with his unbelievable across the map killing potential.
I don’t get how is that even remotely the same …
Considering the amount of people who think otherwise in this thread i don’t think it’s us who don’t seem to grasp things though. Oh and you mean like all those “Galli is OP” threads ? Or “Ambra is OP” ones ? Or the “Marquis is broken” threads ? I think you should read/check this thread http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/t/this-character-needs-a-nerf/1368547 , pretty much illustrates what’s happening here.
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I think it´s quite funny how the fact that you CAN actually stop Raths ultimate is twisted and used as an argument for how OP it is … supposedly 
The question shouldn´t be “Tell me of another ultimate that you have to CC” … it should be “Tell me of another ultimate that you CAN CC”
Just look at Phoebe or Mike for example … they have powerful AoE ultimates too, but you can´t stop that dmg by CCing them and while it (might) be easier to get away from them, one should not forget that they can use all their other skills and autoattacks too while the ultimate is on!
… and as others have already mentioned … Raths ultimate has like a 70(?) seconds cooldown … so one “guaranteed” kill every 70 seconds IF you let him get close and IF you waste your CC before he starts it does not make him OP imo …
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I agree with that. It’s easier said than done to escape from him when he does it. HE’s just too fast. I’m not sure this is normal.
I don’t think Rath is especially OP, but the speed he moves at during his ultimate seems especially high to me.
Use your offhand melee 
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Offhand melee attacks knock enemies back and into the air slightly, so while Rath does move fast he doesn’t actually have control over his movement. If you poke him, do a 180 and just sprint he can’t really catch up with his ult. I mean, this is the case for most non-tank characters anyway. I bet he’d probably catch Montana.
The offhand melee against rath is an extremely dangerous thing to do. Most character’s offhand melee needs a veryu close range, and obviously rath’s blade have a far bigger range. You’ll have to through his blade, then as he’s pushed up he will still do damage while getting away from you for a little moment until he’s too far for his blade to reach you.
If you don’t play a tank, at that time you’re already either dead or almost dead. Any attack from distance, or even just the dot he’s applying will finish you off.
More often than not, your character die while trying because rath doesn’t start with his ult, he starts with his skill sending you in the air, which means that by the time you’re in control again you’re already quite damaged (not even counting rath players keeping you on their head during the ultimate, that thing needs to go completely that’s ridiculous).
i managed a few time to escape with it when the rath player wasn’t that good, but that’s usually not as easy when the rath player knows that you will try to do that.
If I use all my cooldowns with an assassin like deande, I am NOT killing someone who was full life. And it’s harder to use.
What about an ultimate like Melka that does insane damage that doesn’t require you to pit yourself onto someone and potentially get stunned and die from it? What about phoebes, that does massive amounts of damage that stays active when she’s not putting herself into danger. It’s more like the only massive damage ultimate that you need to hope they can’t cc you to stop it. It’s perfectly fine, people are just mad about it cause they got killed by it and felt it was unfair, when really that’s rath’s role and people play him at that position more than anyone else it seems.
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Mr. Character Designer Sir, off topic question. Are you guys going to have cameo’s in battleborn? Like Salvador(Gunzerker) from borderlands being a character for battleborn?
Yeah and since it needs channeled, hes not doing his regular attacks/skills for 4 seconds, so just think of the damage he can do with just auto attacks… and compare that to the ult… and just compare the gap, suddenly its not that big of a deal. While as others pointed out, characters like Oscar Mike can drop HIS ultimate and keep on shooting the whole time, its damage ONTOP of damage as opposed to just damage.
@ssfjustin i think Ghalt makes a reference to him when dual wielding shotguns, he said something along the lines of “im like a berzerker! no, wait… a GUNzerker!”
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I’ll confess that I have yet to kill anyone with Melka’s ult despite playing her several times on open beta. Maybe I just don’t aim correctly (actually, that’s not a maybe, that’s pretty sure) so not every blades hits the target, but either way, I’m surprised you’re giving her ult as an example. Especially since it’s not an area of effect.
trueeeee
I played about 5 games as melka and got about 100 kills with her in those short game spans, I brought it up cause he said no other ult did what Rath’s did…which is deal a high amount of damage…which is what tons of peoples ults do when his can be countered and someone like Melkas can’t rly unless they somehow know you’re casting it. Just a counter argument to the whole Rath op thing, it’s just people get killed by him a lot because he’s more widely acceptability and easier to use than others.
I’d hope not, I would not enjoy seeing Borderlands characters in Battleborn. I’m hoping this isn’t even being considered.
I can’t…tell if you’re being sarcastic. It seems perfectly reasonable to have guest characters, and I would LOVE to play a siren type character in this game, or krieg…mmmm, krieg.
Not being sarcastic at all. To me it would feel like a missed opportunity to have a completely new and unique character, with a completely new and unique style of play, that would grant players a completely new and unique experience, in this completely new and unique game.
I personally think it would be cool to retain some concepts though, as well as guest characters have always been awesome. Just because a character exists doesn’t mean it’s not good, and it would be neat to experience them in a completely different setting, see how they translate. I’m all about the interesting stuff yo, and this would be interesting to me.
Also totally derailing this thread on rath’s ult supposedly being OP to talk about adding new characters to the game, I’m sure everyone is fine with this.
Don’t you think it wouldn’t be cool to play claptap? 