Generally higher mag size is greater DPS, but if it’s working fine without it…
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Agree take “Blood Filled Guns”. You will like it even more.
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I love big mag. Don’t get me wrong. 
But just for mobbing. After a mag of both SwordSplosion and Kerblaster. There’s not much left that I can’t take a few seconds out line of sight right now. Or switch to DPUH and Fastball.
Not doubting I would like it any second either! 
For raid, yes it would be totally different.
I’ll try to remember that when and if I go back to it.
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never mind my comment, I run Krieg with Blood Trance 
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This makes Krieg sad. 
He has some of the best callouts in the game imo. NIPPLE SALADS!!!, FTW. Out of curiosity, where would you rate Gaige’s screams on the annoyance scale? 1 to 10, 10 being soothing and joy inducing, 1 being Claptrap on meth and angel dust (I actually love the little guy, but he’s wicked needy)?
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I would call her a 3. Maybe a 4 at best. Another good reason to avoid dot.
tbh Not that I’m a vegan or anything but I’m not too found of nipple salad. 
I’d rather butcher my foes listening to Beethoven’s piano sonatas. More an Alex Delage kind of guy. 
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Fair enough. I find the wordless grunts a tad disconcerting sometimes, but when I can understand what he’s on about I laugh out loud.
I just got this. A little of the old Ludwig B always sharpens you up for a taste of the old ultra violence, eh?
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I turn call-outs off with every character but Krieg
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Hi, I have a couple of Krieg build issues that I haven’t been able to determine what is wrong. Here is my current skill build.
http://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50500500325151530005021000000000000
I’m in UVHM, doing the slag and swap routine with a Slagga and a DP Unkempt Harold, a Bee, a Blood of Terr… Relic and a meat class mod for health regeneration. The guns are working well for killing things, I’ve tried other mods like scream sickle and diesel sickle but still have these problems.
My first problem is that everytime I use Buzz Axe Rampage, I end up in FFYL. I have been struggling with getting used to looking at my stacks and health in the thick of things so I’m not sure where they were at.
The second problem is I feel like i’m getting one shot all the time. Sometime I enter the room and I’m down. This can happen repeatedly.
Your thoughts please?
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what is your playstyle? Looking at the gears, there are some items off,
1st Krieg is not a shield user due to his skills that delay shield recharge and he thrives with his shield is down so a bee is not a good fit for him, try a maylay shield or rough rider or the Flame of the Firehawk.
2nd Blood of Terra health regeneration is not worth it, IMO you are better off with an elemental or explosive relic.
3rd Meat is okay, but if you want to get good synergies with his skills and weapons try a Crunch (since you are using a Harold), or the Sickle( since you also like to melee).
If you’re having difficulty with survivability, try putting some points in Thrill of the Kill (1 point will do), You can also use a Grog for emergency heals.
Put also some points in Fuel the Rampage (until you get to level 57 wherein you will get RTB). spec out of it after.
Also Slag the battlefield first before going on a Rampage.
At 52 my explosive melee krieg looks like this. http://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50500510054151005104140000000000000
Hang in there, things will get amazing once you get Bloodsplosion and RTB.
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I like using guns and reserve melee for occasions when i’m getting mobbed or there is a BA too close.
At this level, I thought I would be better off with a guns/melee build which happens to also fit my style.
Health recovery is so slow on this guy, the blood of Terr seemed to make sense but has not been what I expected. I believe I have a couple of Ancients with other characters.
I’ve tried other shields, FotFH, Hide of Terr, Maylay, but had more trouble staying alive. The Rough Rider is on my farm list so I’ve not tried it. Still trying to grasp the “0” capacity, 20% resistance concept.
Looking at your Lvl 52 build I see that FtM and FtR appear to be the main difference from mine. Perhaps i’ve misunderstood the concept of health with Krieg. I though it was best to get his health as high as possible so that when it gets reduced below the gate he still has enough to keep from being put into FFYL. I admit this is another area I am fuzzy on.
I use slag murv grenades and fan the smg to hit as many targets as possible before moving forward. As I said above, I’m not a frequent user of his rampage skill and reserve it for close Mobs and close BA threats. The one shot problems happens the most when there is only one or two enemies left in the area which makes it hard to get out of FFYL.
I know the game will change once I get to RTB, but I want to get a handle on how he works without it. I think it will pay off when I get there. The Bloodsplosion part of my build appears to be working. I’ve seen chain reaction explosions on several occasions so I suspect that my problems are related to how he regains health from kills. In the case of the one shot situation, there is nothing to regain it from.
Thanks for the help. I’ll go back to the drawing board, incorporate your suggestion and see how he does.
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Pretty much. It also gives you a lot more of a bar to gauge when to hit RtB.
The damage reduction is part of it ; the other part is the substantial health increase that it grants - which obviously ties in with the above.
A health relic or, when you get to 62, a Blood of the Ancients ( health + ammo - usually pistol + SG or AR ) which further ties in with the above.
Thrill of the Kill is a great healing skill. One point goes a long way - especially with Bloodsplosion.
Also, once you get to 57, a complete overhaul is in order : Fuel the Blood and Buzz Axe Bombadier with RtB will get your axe-chuck damage increased dramatically.
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Agree, Krieg’s healing skills is based on kills like Buzz axe rampage kills, Thrill of the kill while elemental emphaty is based on burn damage (but you are not spec into it).
So if you are not killing things, then you might need a moxxi sometimes, a grog, rubi, kittens, hail, heartbreaker and good/bad touch will do.
Once you hit 57 spec out of Fuel The Rampage and get Feed the Meat (it is also amazing but i want to go down the Mania tree faster.
Nope you got it actually, He is good with high health because you can refill it after every kill while on rampage, then bloodsplosion plus thrill of the kill will also do that while you are using your guns (that is if you get a kill).
It will be somewhat the same playstyle, the only thing is you will not instantly recharge Buzz Axe Rampage, But that is why i recommend you spec in Fuel the Rampage.
When I level up my Krieg at UVHM my gear is this. Grog Nozzle for Slagging and Healing, Harold, Slagga, and a Corrosive Kitten/Hail/Bad Touch, Shield is Rough Rider, Com is either a Sickle if i want more melee, or Crunch if i want more guns, grenade is fastball and relic is explosive relic.
Depending on the mood i would do 1. Slag with Grog and chuck fastballs, 2. slag with slagga and switch to harold 3. slag everything then go Rampage, after rampage get my health up via grog and wait for the cooldown then repeat.
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Ok, Good to know I had some of it right. I was beginning to think that after all the work I had done, I had missed something major. Although I guess I did with Thrill of the Kill. I’ll respec to make the recommended changes and I guess I’ll just have to tough it out till I get to RtB.
I have a couple Ancients but they are too high a Lvl, so I’ll venture into the Wildlife Preserve to hunt the loot midgets in Specimen Maintenance.
I’ve got a couple Moxie guns, Good Touch and Rubi but never liked them. Can’t kill anything with the Rubi and the vibration of the Good Touch is annoying. I like the Grog Nozzle but haven’t started that mission yet in UVHM. Will do that after the respec and then head to find The Bulwark for a Rough Rider. I just picked up that mission today.
Thanks to all. You can read how it turns out on the “what did you do in your most recent session” thread.
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@piratebones2
@nat_zero_six and @Jefe gave you solid advice. My 2 cents, for what it’s worth, would be to respec for RtB. It’s a fantastic “OH S***!!!” button and evwn if you don’t chuck axes during rampage you get enough extra speed to run for cover most of the time. Plus, at 52 you’ll have Bloodsplosion back in no time. A Rough Rider will change your life, to the point where you’ll wonder what playing with a shield bar is like. Once you’re able to spec Blood Bath I’d recommend switching your com. Blisters (preferably Blood for the Bloodbath bonus) or Crunch (Flesh with Taste of Blood is my preference there). With a Fastball and a good slagger 1 point in thrill of the kill will keep you alive more often than not. A nice vitality relic will help you health stack until you get a Blood relic that boosts your favorite ammo pools. The RtB respec is what really enables the “kamikaze psycho I’ll eat your babies” playstyle, imo. The com switch would work without the respec, I just needed the “Oh s***” button more than I needed Bloodsplosion at that point.
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A lot of very good advice has been given here so I’ll just add my 2 cents and leave, but if you’re only using his AS as an emergency option I’d say lose the point in StV- the self damage can be more of a hindrance than help if you’re not going to rely on melee for kills. If you put points into Embrace the Pain, Strip the Flesh and Salt the Wound you can reach Release the Beast by level 57 w/o touching StV. Also, shotguns- Krieg loves some shotguns- and AR’s- and grenades- and other explosive stuff… As for your build I’d suggest this (it’s not that different from @nat_zero_six:
http://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50500410325150530104130000000000000
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My quick 2 cents as well (and hope I am not repeating any of the good advice above): If you don’t have RtB, there’s no reason to go into buzz axe rampage. Ever. And even if you have RtB, you don’t want to stay in it too long, because you can’t slag anything while in RtB, and slag is crucial in UVHM. I think you wrote above that you prefer a gun build; if so, personally I’d spec out of Blood Trance and Taste of Blood (because I’m not going into buzz axe rampage with a gun build) and put points in 5 points Blood Twitch. Also, if you are not using a Rough Rider or FotF shield, I think your points in the Mania would be better spent in the Hellborn tree for the skills that boost weapon damage, reload speed, damage reduction, fire rate, etc. Maybe even take the 2 points out of Boiling Blood, because you’ll be constantly generating stacks by shooting and inflicting DoT to enemies. Good luck and enjoy Krieg!
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As someone who is not the most skilled and enjoy picking my targets from a safe distance…
I needed time to adjust to Krieg. Called him Mr.Die-A-Lot for quite a while. With a few more points and with RtB and Bloodsplosion running. It really start to shine.
Trouble is you “have” to launch Buzz Axe while below health gate. (-edit- With RtB.) I never watch the stats count and rarely the health bar. You eventually “get the feel”. I stayed out of Hellborn until the very end when I could reassign enough points into it. (And beat that %?$/$? Dragon).
Need to get some used to and living on the edge. Playing dirty. That’s who he is! 
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