Oh, i was never against them; i think it’s an AWESOME idea. I just challenged your comment about Self Destruct Sequence being the worst choice in that helix. However, i STILL want my explosion, because:
…Yep; still don’t know how to post pictures. Can someone please insert the “Mr. Torgue approves this ■■■■” meme?
I think the reason they didn’t make self destruct his main play style is because of OW, in part. It would be better than his current ult, which people hate… I mean Ernest is almost the same as Junkrat. Toby was already criticized for being dva. There are some similarities…
It’s just one of those things where people make stupid connections and say “copy cats! gbx suckz bliz op” despite the fact that this game came out first… I would love a better ult for Toby, and self destruct could work. But I would rather he do something with lasers 
No worries you will still get explosion (no idea about pics one time I did it but I just pressed buttons
What toby was shown before dva
Then:
…DAMN it! Someone please insert that meme! You know what? I’ll make my own meme; with blackjack… and hookers! You know what? Forget the meme and the blackjack!
Aw, screw the whole thing…
here ya go! 
PS: You can drag&drop images directly. Just open a folder and drag the wanted file into the forum-textbox, it should upload instantly.
I won’t ever have to with you watching over me. I can just summon you with a well-placed Futurama reference. Thanks!
I wish i could “like” that TOMORROW as well.
Attack speed does not in any way increase charge time on anyone. gRANT said this on reddit a while back. Just I figured you should k own, because if you’re building that way then decreased charge time would be amazing as your shots might be a notch higher.
I know. But people see similarities and go all fan boy against it. Sorry I’m blabbering, I’m tired.
@epicender584 Thank you! I’ve been wondering about that since release! I’m just too lazy to test
It most assuredly does. I don’t know who gRANT is, but i’ve been using Toby since the beta, and can confirm that is does. I wouldn’t THINK of entering PVP without an attack speed gear item on Toby.
EDIT: Wait… are you screwing with me, because what you meant is that attack speed gear REDUCES charge time, and i was saying it INCREASED it out of context. Oh, you… -shakes finger appreciatingly- Hint taken!
Unfortunately, I’m not that subtle and hilarious. gRANT is the lead balancer designer and has worked on the game for a loooong time now. Sadly, he said there is no way to use attack speed gear to affect charge time. It will allow you to shoot faster, but for ISIC and Toby, only helices can increase charge time. Thorn has no options. Your sense of it taking less time to charge may be a placebo. I would trust you if it wasn’t the lead balancer designer. I would go try it out to double check but I’m about to go out and don’t have the ability to stream it to prove it.
If it’s a placebo, then i want MORE of it, because my penguin is kicking ass.
I can’t find any hard data on what you claim, and the online community seems divided on this matter. I could SWEAR that attack speed DOES work on Toby (he’s been firing SO FAST for me), but i kind of hope that YOU’RE right, as that means better gear choices. Could it be that my life as i perceive it is a figment on my, or someone else’s, imagination?
ISIC’s Charge Cannon’s “charge time” is not affected by attack speed and reload speed to my knowledge. For charge weapons, we would need to add a “reduce charge time” gear. The primary attack does do more damage with attack damage gear.
It took me a while, but I found it. It’s in the first comment thread.
Also lol ISIC reference (possibly on accident)
Ha! HA, i say! “Not to his knowledge.” So i may be sane after all! In regards to this, i mean…
? It says
“not affected by attack speed and reload speed to my knowledge. For charge weapons, we would need to add a “reduce charge time” gear.”
And his knowledge is pretty legit as he made and runs the game
But he’s NOT SURE. If he fractured time into multiple pieces, he wouldn’t be sure enough of himself to press the button at the same time. He might not even be sure enough to break out of the dog crate!
Well, he presumably was involved in the code and knows that it isn’t a factor. And he doesn’t say he’s not sure, he says “to my knowledge.” Which means that according to what he knows (and he should know as much and more than anybody), it isn’t affected by attack speed