Shield Parts Guide: An Analysis of Adaptive Shields

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#10

Very balanced combo…and I agree…probably the ideal mix. But not sure if that one is right for me.

Some people just swear by the resistance…and I think Nisha players just want a big cap.

But that one you point out is a very nice blend of all stats .

I am going to start looking for one or something close to it once I take up playing again. and will try it out. I always wanted highest cap with fastest recharge and lowest delay…and was willing to overlook deficiencies in resistance and health.

Yours is a nice compromise.

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#11

The issue with that specific Combination is that those qualities super conflict with eachother, but i’ll look at my sheet and see what I can come up with.

Edit: I’m looking at a Bandit-Torgue-Torgue, Bandit-Dahl-Torgue, or Bandit-Vladof-Torgue potentially, I think Bandit Torgue Torgue gets the closest to what you want, high capacity a 4-ish base delay, and a fairly high Rate.

#12

@Hoyle4 can any shield get any part? Except for fixed part shields (don’t know if those exist), sorry up until yesterday I didn’t know shields have parts lol

#13

@Maliwankenobi:

For the most part, yes most Shields can get any parts, or at the very least they can get almost every unique stat combination.

There are shields with Fixed Parts (The Shield of Ages, For Example is locked with Anshin Battery and Body and a Pangolin Capacitor), and some Shields that have a limited pool of available parts (Mostly with Torgue/Maliwan Capacitors, as they provide elemental resistances/immunities, but there are others like The Sham that can’t spawn with high Capacity parts, mostly for Balance reasons). For the most part, however most if not all part combinations are available to all shields. (In my Adaptive example you only lose out on 4 combinations due to the inability to have Torgue or Maliwan Capacitors).

Hope that helps :blush:

#14

They should have made shields like the reoganator and sham able to spawn with high capacity parts but have them be rarer drops that would give players more incentive to farm those items extensively

#15

Eh not really a Full Ahshin Sham would be OP, huge capacity and ~90 absorb chance would basically make you unstoppable.

#16

I was being tongue in cheek facetious…while trying not to offend.

Because I honestly did not know where you were going with that and thought.

“Good gracious…I must be stupid…I HATE that combo but he must know something I don’t”…

So I went along with it…LOL

So now I find out YOU were being facetious and I didn’t pick up on it at all…

The one I play with now is Maliwan-Tediore-Hyperion…and It seems to work nicely. I got it from a Golden Key.

Your table shows it not good in Cap…but this one seems OK for Cap…With some shield skills specked and an Eddie and Celestial Enforcer…my cap easily goes over 100k…and my Shield cap BAR is only 9%

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#17

wait what? I don’t know what i’m doing I was actually trying to help. I’m confuzzled… :S

Walk me through that again…pliss :blush:

Mali-Ted-Hyperion is fairly decent, more of a recharge-special base shield (I am only going by Base stats in the spreadsheets). I personally like a little bit higher base Cap if I can swing it just because Wilhelm specifically has quite a few %Cap abilities to help him out there.

#18

Ohhhh you actually like Maliwan-Hyperion-Anshin…

Now I’m a little confused…the delay is average…the recharge poor…good cap though

Health I don’t really care about and no idea on resistance.

I think our difference is that you are looking at the BIG picture…all 5 results…Cap, Delay, recharge, health, resitance

When I am basically concentrating on 3 and possibly 4

I think additional health is a vastly overrated capability for end game play where health gate negates virtually any advantage of MORE health.

Perhaps I have too much Raid fighting prejudice on this…

#19

Does Prefix mean anything to the shield’s ability?? This one is a Hippocratic Adaptive.

#20

Ok so my issue with going heavy into Recharge on an Adaptive shield is that it more or less defeats the purpose of using an Adaptive. I think “Well if I want a shield that recharges fast and don’t really care about the health why the heck would I use and Adaptive when I could literally just use a Tediore or Any other shield with an Immunity to a troublesome element.” .

Also if you consider Recharge Delay reductions (like from heatsinks) a middling delay is more beneficial than a initally low one just because the reduction does more. In our direct comparison examples a base Heatsinks will reduce mine to 2.88/2.51 but yours to 2.01/1.76 [Mine gets reduced by .49/.88 while yours gets reduced by .35/.59] (The Difference in actual decreased recharge delay gets even more notceable the more points you have in heatsinks, where the actual difference between our delays is like .5 seconds)

I personally use Adaptives on characters that have lots of %health and %cap boosts, as they are more or middling quality shields that also provide a bonus to health, while also serving a “Jack of All Trades” quality.

Resistance is sooooo overrated on Adaptives just because you need to take consecutive hits from the same element for them to even do anything. Regardless high Health biproducts a high resistance.

Prefix is a side affect on how much of a stat you have. Hippocratic means high special.

@Maliwankenobi No reason it shouldn’t but i’ll check later

#21

Oh ■■■■ I forgot the sham was the absorb shield I’m thinking of the shooting star is that able to spawn with high capacity?

#22

Makes sense except a one element resistance on a Tediore is…one element.

You are right about the resistance being overrated…but it IS multi-element even if the parameters for the resistance to kick in prevent it’s effectiveness in all situations. At least you get a varied resistance that will sometimes kick in.

I like your thoughts on Synergy and why you do what you do.

I am thinking more about general protection and how to get a busted shield back up quickly…which has some synergisim with other Wilhlem skills.

You sir are a very smart guy!!

Oh and I still owe you that PC Fire rate check test…I may have some time this weekend. Tell me how you want it done again…refresh me if you could.

#23

I made a slight edit to my above post to address the new question and further elaborate on a previous thought.

Also if you consider skills like Energize (A Staple on most Celestials) and DP (Granted it’s has like no abusability) that regen regardless of whether or not a shield is in recharge state. There’s also another brief point where getting your shields to full asap only really benefiting ER, which is sort of a weird skill to tailor your shield to because it lasts for such a long time that you don’t really need to be constantly breaking it.

I can send a brief PM of my proposed FR testing hypothesis from that Wilhelm thread.

#24

Yepper…send it. I am exhausted from work and cleared the deck for an entire weekend of rest.

Yes…I actually spec ER fairly heavily…DP I only spec 1 point almost always because of the reasons you have stated.

VC benefits from it too…that is…if I ever actually used VC…which I rarely do…

Your reasoning is sound…and your advice has been good. Shifting more points into targeting scope was definitely an improvement for me.

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#25

This thread really is a great analysis of shields. Do you also have the data how different parts effekt the elemental resistance? It would be great to have it on the list as well. You could just look what you want and select the perfect part combination for you from the list (and then spend for ever farming for that specific combination :smiley: )

#26

Yeah…but…

At least to me manufacturing things for game play kind of defeats the “sportingness” if you will…of the game

Takes away a lot of the challenge…at least to me.

For testing purposes it is a necessity, no one has the time to go farm EVERY possible version…but for game play I avoid it if possible.

I’m no angel…I’m sure that some of the stuff in my arsenal that I actually play with which some I traded for, seems a bit too good to be true…

But if an individual says it’s legit…I don’t question it at all. Who am I to question it?

And the other thing is I never point fingers…what you do in YOUR game is YOUR business…and YOUR pleasure and fun. No concern of mine.

If I coop with someone I kinda do want them to follow what I like…or at least we come to an agreement…or I simply don’t participate and don’t hold anything against anyone. No harm, no foul…

#27

Resistances are a function of special, High Health Values (~30-35k) = High Resist (65-75%), Found it redundant to include both.

However, I would rather you use this to enlighten you on what kind of parts are good for your shield, rather then Build-A-Bear whatever perfect combination.

#28

I think you missunderstood me. I woudn’t use any kind of program to cheat the shield but I really like to farm different things and if I have a shield with specific parts that I really want I have a reason to farm and when I find adaptive shields I can look at the parts and see how close I am to the “perfect” shield.

#29

That’s the best part about farming shields. For most shields there’s like 6 combinations of parts that are effectively the same shield, so it’s less picky than gun farming.