Should there be greater penalties for dying?

Battleborn Battleborn Competitive Multiplayer Discussion
#17

Well I think any of us just what we want and will leave if we’re not getting it. This is a video game we’re talking about, if you’re not having fun, don’t stick around. My only point is . . . you want people to play the game by the rules y’know? This is a tangent but this is why Oscar Mike singlehandedly destroying Sentries in Incursion is an issue. The “rules” of the game are to push your minions through to take out the Sentry. You do that via a combination of killing the opposing team, killing their minions, and buying/destroying buildables. Oscar Mike can just upend all that and go drop on an ult on your sentry. It’s not fun.

This whole situation with the assassins isn’t quite as broken so that’s why I’m asking questions rather than making statements. On the one hand, assassins are supposed to get in there, mess things up, and yeah they’ll often die because they’re squishy (and they should be squishy). On the other hand, there’s just a difference between, Phoebe has more deaths than Marquis (who’s always on the back line sniping), and Phoebe died as often as she killed someone. Again, my concern is it will just create an environment that isn’t very fun to play in.

All that is true but having played melee characters, I always try to make sure I have some kind of escape option or route. Yes, it is also true that sometimes I’ll sacrifice myself for the good of the team. Again, the issue here is that some of these players aren’t just occasionally sacrificing themselves, they’re dying nearly every time they land a kill, it’s nearly a 1 to 1 ratio. I’m just not sure that should be a successful strategy (I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t work in many other MOBAs). Yeah, it makes sense that a melee character will have more deaths than a Marquis or an Oscar Mike, but to die over 10 times, to die once for every kill you land?

#18

But what about their assists? I’ve had many games as melee characters where I go 10-15 kills, 5-10 deaths, but I also have 10-20 assists. I usually get a ton of assists which sucks because I never get enough for the 30 assist title or i get too much for the 25 kills title lol. My luck.

I feel like if they have a decent amount of assists then it would act to balance out their K-D.

#19

I regularly play Reyna and I don’t often get a lot of kills, certainly less than deaths. I do get a lot of assists as well as heals (due to overshield ability) as well as other support score stuff (building and destroying buildables etc).

#20

no, there should not be a penalty for dying. the timer is already extended the more you die anyways… do you really think that would solve anything if it were extended more, because imo that would be ridiculous.

#21

Actually I believe the respawn timer is based on your character level - the higher your level, the longer it is before you respawn.

#22

The only change I would possibly (possibly) like to see is more XP for assisted kills.

Right now killing a player is worth a static number of XP, depending on their level. If someone gets the kill solo, they receive full XP. If there are assists, the killer gets reduced XP and the assisters get the rest. The killer still gets the most, but the overall XP doesn’t change.

This actually incentivizes bad play. Diving too deep for a kill will earn a full XP load for the diver, but the opposing team will have their XP spread across everyone who helped.

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#23

You would think its bad play but, in fact, everyone assisting a kill means more points spread between opposing players; Thats means they will win the stalemate (Assuming there is one) via points. Theres always a work-around

#24

Except not.

It’s the same number of points, spread further.

Example: the diver gets 10 XP for his kill, and all 5 members of the other team get 2 each (assuming they all helped)

Same total XP, just spread further.

#25

We are already penalized…No FFYL :open_mouth:

#26

No, not XP; I said points as in your player score

#27

Oh. My bad. You are correct then.

#28

As a player who’s trying to learn the feel and tactics of a multiplayer, the wait timer is EXTREMELY frustrating. I generally die about 15-16 times per round weekend after weekend. So instead of getting back out there and learning how to be better, I’m spending my weekend staring at a sixty-five dollar timer counting down for a minute after every death, with adds up to about 1/3 of my available match time. Maybe there’s a way that I could take less credits, but not wait 45-60 seconds per death?

#29

What characters are you playing where you are dying 15-16 times…?

#30

I usually play Orendi, Melka, or Galilea. Lately I’ve been trying Shane and Aurox. I’m slowly getting better, last weekend I was able to get a couple kills. It’s just impossible to make good progress and learn, sitting in the spectator screen. I’m level 100 with a maxed 15 on Orendi and Melka, from putting in hundreds and hundreds of hours on the private stories, but they don’t prepare you for fighting real players.

#31

Its just a matter of over pursuing. Orendi should never be that front and center to die 15 times. Take out minion waves and drop pillars on unsuspecting opponents, retreat when you get targeted. Gali is a little trickier as she belongs in the fray, just don’t push so hard I guess. Mellka though, you should never die anywhere near that many times with. She has arguably the best escape in the game. Get in, do your damage, and when you hit low health, jump, aim for the sky and claw lunge out of there. Doesn’t sound like a skill issue, sounds like a decision making issue. Pick your battles

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#32

I was thinking that deaths should be figured into your score, like 2 points for a kill, 1 point for an assist, and maybe -1 point for a death.

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#33

Thanks! Thats excellent advice. I’m almost always the victim, so I’ve never seen seasoned players retreat! I’ve never played that way, since I figured the good players don’t run away, that it was a losing strategy. Now that you mention it, it totally makes sense, to try to run away. Also, it seems that there is some way people are teleporting to get more health? (maybe it would take them back to the starting point?) If that’s a real function it seems like a pretty big oversite not to mention it at the beginning of the round. Nova says "build turrets, kill Varelsi, escort the minions, etc, but never mentions “oh by the way, you can completely heal yourself by teleporting”-might be useful! I’m going to figure out which button does that trick.

#34

Down on the dpad if you are on XB1

#35

Why would there be? Aggressive play is a legitimate strategy. If you don’t like that aggressive players are tying up your team then top going after them and let whoever they’re after 1v1.

#36

I personally hate how long I have to wait to respawn as it is, late in the game. When an opponent is dominating us in incursion 80-0 and there’s 10 minutes left, it’s cruel being made to sit and watch my teammates getting crushed for 30 seconds while I can do nothing.

Respawn time can factor character level into the equation, sure, but it should also factor in how far behind you are to keep things just a little bit more balanced.