#890

If you want more friends on your friends list?

It’s great that you manage to ignore the entire system Valve have built your Steam Profile around, but 25p per game (let’s say) is hardly raking in the cash either. It’s certainly not “fair”.

I’m personally not bothered by loot boxes in Overwatch. But I can see the criticism of them. Me not spending a penny and getting a ton of cool cosmetics over time, doesn’t mean that the system isn’t flawed.

Like I said, there is bias here against Epic where there isn’t against Valve. I can’t force anyone to examine that bias, and I don’t want to. I encourage folks to exercise their free choice in using a digital platform to buy their games, whether they choose to use Epic or not.

#891

Yes, this bias is called “context”, since we’re talking about BL3 as forced EPS exclusive.

#892

You’re not being forced to do anything. It’s your choice to buy the game. I don’t want to repeat myself anymore than I have, as you keep ignoring the answers to questions I give you (i.e. friends list limits forcing profile levelling), so I’m tagging out.

#893

I’m strongly compelled to buy game, for I am fan of BL and I’ve already decided that I’ll get my hands on game in one way or another. It being sold as exclusive on EPS for 6 months means that I have to sacrifice my experience either way, be it by buying the game on bad platform, or having to wait that extra time to get it on Steam, which I’ve decided on doing.

#894

I don’t play on steam, so please clarify something for me.

From what’s been said so far, there is a limit to the size of your friends list based on, in effect, how much money you spend on Steam (game achievements, you’d need to buy games for)? And this is not, somehow, an exploitation?

Getting occasional coupons hardly excuses such a thing in my mind. But then, I already disliked steam on principle without really knowing about its specific flavors of predatory capitalism.

#895

Here’s a series of reddit thread for the same issue discussed, hopefully it brings new insight and ideas to this thread, seems like the same thing just keeps getting repeated:

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#896

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1184-UOZV-2743

250 friends limit by default, +5 per levelup, +50 for linking steam with facebook account. 250 seems more than plently to me.

#897

Honestly I never noticed a limit on steam for a friends list, however I’m not one of those people that send a friend invite to almost every person I get matched with in an online game and I’m not prone to accepting blind invites from people.

I remember tho at least at some point awhile back that there were a number of limitations on steam accounts that only had free to play content on them.

#898

To add to what has been said, I’d maxed the limit out by about 2010. Smaller online circles nowadays though, thankfully!

Nor does Epic appear to have this limitation (very little available information on that, though; Fortnite seems capped at 500 but I’m unsure if this applies to the Epic account in general).

#899

Randy Pitchford (@DuvalMagic) Tweeted:
@LilMcFlurry So this point is about comparing relative features, right? That currently Steam has features that Epic’s store does not? I think it’s a fair point and I’ll be happy to look at that point with you over a few following tweets. Please don’t respond until I say “done”. Okay? https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/1117071520352751616?s=17

In which Randy gives his perspective on the Epic release. Some other tweets made at the same time are also relevant.

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#900

He absolutely has a point when he says that Borderlands 3 puts Epic under pressure. It will force EGS to get better. The problem with that is that Randy might not see the opposite perspective: Borderlands 3 as an exclusive forces* players to use the EGS which in turn might leave Epic with the impression of secured sales, no matter the level of features the EGS might or might not have.

*Yes I know that nobody gets forced to use any platform whatsoever, but for those unaware and for those with a bad impulse control the result will be the same.

#902

I wouldn’t simply because I don’t want to support exclusivity deals either. Their aggressive market behavior is not something I can, and probably never will, get behind.

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#903

9 posts were split to a new topic: Epically Bad Posts

#908

I don’t get it. Exclusivity deals are how Steam came to be. Is it okay because it’s in the past? Is it okay because they “made” the games (for the sake of argument I’m including L4D here, even if I think that’s being very charitable to Valve)?

I don’t mean to snipe, I genuinely want to understand how this is now an issue for Epic, but hasn’t (presumably) stopped you using Steam (or other digital platforms, if any).

#909

I’m not really sure where you are trying to take this? I’m not going to get behind Epic as I can plainly see that they are doing something I don’t approve of. Same deal with big clothing stores. I know nothing of make-up production and I probably do use some unethical products since I don’t know about them but that has nothing to do with BL3 being exclusive to Epic or the fact that I refuse to support Epic because of what I see. If I could buy the game stand-alone with no Steam day 1 I’d do that but I’m not buying it on Epic, ever.

Edit to you ninja add on:
I don’t think I’ve said I’m a business expert. I’m a disappointed customer reacting to something I don’t like and therefore don’t support. How hard it that to understand? Also I’m not sure why you keep trying to pushdying children on me? Like seriously? I responded “no” to a post asking if people would buy BL3 on Epic if it had better features and said why I wouldn’t.

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#910

Yes, that is indeed very much fine for me. If you fund or produce the game then using it as an asset to market your own platform with your own game is fine in my books. If Epic bought GBX then I there’s nothing I’d have to say about that.

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#912

Don’t engage bad faith arguments. They’re not interested in what you have to say, only in “winning”.

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#913

Alright. I disagree, but I see where you’re coming from.

#914

Very good point. I’ll go have a nice cup of tea and leave this sinkhole again. Dunno why I even decided to check back in here.

#918