#440

Way to put yourself on moral pedestal to look down on everyone having differing opinions. This is not helpfu, you’re just producing colficting conversations here. Look at this entire chain unfolding as result.

This is forums, we’re here to discuss, not to change things. Maybe take your own advice and buzz off if you do not want to see this conversation going on.

#441

Wealth makes our lives good. Like it or not, but it is a fact.

Most of the things you use in your life are possible, because investors investing their money into things that became profitable businesses. They were driven by greed, but the world became better of it.

#442

I am here to tell the truth and just be helpful to people to better understand the situation. But, yeah, may be my message could be put better. Yet what’s done is done.

#443

Honestly people never learn… It’s only when it’s too late that they begin to think “Oh man, I dun f’d up”.
Look at Fallout 76 and Anthem. Things will only continue to spiral out of control. And yet the consumers just say “Oh, we can’t do anything”.

I won’t say greed is a bad thing, but rather, greed has to do with morals and how a person thinks. By having the lack of moral conscience that allows one to take advantage of others, sure, greed can be seen as bad. But if you lack those morals, then greed means nothing. Greed is essentially valuing money/property over people. Look at sweat shops/cheap labor factories. Loss of life in those is simply a cost of manufacturing.

So is greed bad? Depends on who you are, depends on time+place. I personally think greed is a bad thing, but to each their own. You could say I’m greedy for wanting to keep my money safe instead of putting it in the hands of the Epic Game Store. I value my money over the life of a potential thieve’s life.

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#444

Maybe its a difference of definition. Desiring to create wealth through legitimate means or by creating something of value I don’t consider greed. Taking advantage of others, betraying them, promising one thing and giving another, or any of a number of behaviors that benefit you only by hurting someone else is greed. And if you don’t think there is anything wrong with that kind of greed you might just be a villain.

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#445

Nobody owns actual truth, this is why we need to discuss things.

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#446

Technically that statement is true. Greed on its own isn’t a bad thing.

Many of the actions brought about by it that lead to avarice however are, which is the actual issue here.

#447

There were countless examples of companies that had to lay off their employees in order to survive. Life is morally ambiguous, so it is hard to make 100% people oriented decisions in life. This is sad, but this is life. I am 100% on board with the idea of people and ethics oriented companies like Ritz-Carlton or Johnson and Johnson, but it’s not that I have a great plan of how we can turn every business like this in overnight without compromising our lives and wills.

Greed is not about value of money over people, which is a ridiculous concepts to begin with. Greed is about considering the value of wealth, and on a contrary to what most people think, but having a good moral compass and an ability to do the right thing helps in pursuing wealth a lot in the long run.

#448

Yeah except what your talking about is usually, “OH our company cant go on unless we lay off 500 people! Also, heres a 50 M dollar bonus this year for each of the top 5 executives.” Greed and Avarice like to hide behind the term, “Morally Ambiguous”

#449

You have to understand that those decision makers have moral obligations not just before customers, but before shareholders and employees as well. Also, I don’t think that Gearbox/2k did anything unethical in this situation.

They have responsibilities to ensure profits for their companies; keeping promises and fulfilling responsibilities are the foundations of any ethics.

#450

The definition of Greed according to the webster dictionary is:
A selfish and excessive desire for more of something (such as money) than is needed.
This selfishness most definitely takes precedence over responsibilities. Again, look at Fallout 76 and Bethesda. They promised one thing (which I would argue is their responsibility), but for greed and selfishness, discarded/ignored that responsibility.

So while you say keeping promises and fulfilling responsibilities are the foundations of any ethics, I would argue that many companies will disregard these ethics if it means more money in their pockets. It’s shady business in a nutshell. What responsibilities, what ethics. Those don’t mean anything if people continue to ignore it.

As they say, ignorance is bliss, and this can be seen clearly with anyone supporting the practices that EGS is using.

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#451

What would be the approaching disaster that needs to be avoided by choosing EpicGames exclusivity deal? I fail to see how this logic applies in this scenario. What am I missing here?

#452

Now we are entering the dark zone of assumptions.

I mean there were companies like Enron, but in most cases in international environment companies, which violate business ethics don’t live long. Ethics is a foundation of a good longrunning business.

What Bethesda did was a disaster, and I am not a fan of Todd Howard(? I don’t recall his name) after his fallout 4 presentation, which was misleading.

I am quiet aware about EGS and their practices. I just don’t care, because I have more important concerns to care about.

#453

I didn’t really understand what you are saying in your post, so if you could paraphrase, I would appreciate it.

#454

If EGS and their practices are none of your concern, I don’t understand the purpose of you being here (not to be rude or anything). This post is about BL3 Epic Store exclusivity. As such, I would imagine anyone who is on here does care about the exclusivity of BL3. Your statement and your being here is kind of contradictory?

Either way, I’m reluctant to use Epic for many reasons, including;
Security, many functions like rating, forums, modding community, cloud saves, a functional library, a store that functions properly, Linux support, and many other things.

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#455

I assumed that you’re still sticking with the topic talking about this specific case of BL3 beign Epic Store exclusive. Isn’t ethics something that you can’t generalize accross, something that you have to analyze each case seprately? I think it’s ambigous only if you start skipping over details and start generalizing many different cases like they’re same thing. Let’s go back to the topic.

#456

Linux people tend to be ITs in most cases, who either don’t have time for games or have a second Windows machine. I haven’t met a single casual user having Linux.

To be honest, I just care about the quiality of product itself, since good products in gaming industry is a rare almost a unicorn like thing.

I just came to the forum to share this:


Also, I got like a week of vacation and since I am a workaholic I just don’t know what to do with my spare time.

#458

That was the answer adressed to LucidNebula.

#459

Maybe they actually just wanted to get bashed on the internet. What’s that saying about bad publicity? I mean even if Borderlands 3 turned out to be the best game ever, no one outside of us would really talk about it. I mean just go look at YouTube. When it comes to video games, all people want to do is complain and say how terrible they are. That’s what is popular now.

Semi-sarcastic but last two sentences are the sad truth

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#460

Honestly i just hope the Epic ver of the game will let us play with the steam ver players.