So I finally understand Maya

[capnslapabich]

You can actually kill him pretty easily with Maya too if you PL the robot that chills in that room and then unload on him. Soooo yeah.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

LOL, right

Yeah, that trick really makes Maya much more powerful than otherwise possible. I never actually got to try that since I’ve played 99% of my BL2 time on PS3.

…though i’m still pretty sure Sal gets rid of OP8 Raid bosses much faster than Maya

I mean: that was OP8…raid boss…less than 5 seconds

[capnslapabich]

Are we sure there was no weapon combining there? Let’s get a check.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

Nope no cheating involved here, this is a very well known trick with Salvador. @Derch would concure

[capnslapabich]

As someone who played with Sal quite a bit, I don’t understand it then. Because it seems to me like Moxxi’s Creamer is only good for one thing…

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

I mean, i’m glad Maya has a bona fide boss-killing trick besides immo-Bee now that this trick works on next-gen consoles, it really levels the playing field, since Maya was the character most at a disadvantage against bosses that can’t be phaselocked.

But make no mistakes: Salvador is still the undisputed king of Raids

[capnslapabich]

I won’t disagree with you. But he’s also the player that loses his luster more quickly than any other character.

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

Hm, so Maya can B0re, Neat. I’m guessing it’s that Pinball skill that’s responsible yes?

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

I won’t disagree with you. But he’s also the player that loses his luster more quickly than any other character.

That’s a matter of taste…and experience. I never tired of Sal, there are so many ways to play him
You just gotta know what you’re doing when you make your build.

You said you “finally understand Maya”, that’s great, I hope that means you will be able to think up new ways of playing her and think up builds on your own.

But it’s the same thing with Sal (or all other characters) once you “get” him, a world of options open to you.
You don’t have to go Grog/DPUH like everyone and their moms are doing. Before I stopped playing, I hadn’t touched a Harold in months, and I was doing just fine.

Last thing I was doing was making up a new build around the Longbow… oh well

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

Hm, so Maya can B0re, Neat. I’m guessing it’s that Pinball skill that’s responsible yes?

Yes, once you have 100% CR chances, every pellet will spawn additional orbs… then ricochets…which spawns new bullets… which spawns… well you get the idea.

[capnslapabich]

The only times I DPUH’d/GN’d was when I was in those “stupid” moments that you had a hard time getting past (we all have them). Other than that, he’s just a one trick pony…hold 2 guns and shoot stuff. Nothing ever changes and there’s really no strategy. I played him on Xbox, played him on PS4, got him to OP8 on both…and now only use him for quick raids. Nothing more, really.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

Other than that, he’s just a one trick pony…hold 2 guns and shoot stuff. Nothing ever changes and there’s really no strategy.

Well, if you only played him that way, sure…

But anyway, who’s NOT a one trick pony if you get it down to so simple an equation ?
“Maya is just phaselock things and shoot them” … there easy

But then you would argue that Maya is NOT a one-trick pony, because there are many ways to play her: you can use a Cat build with SMGs, or a trickster build along with Pimpernels, or a multiplayer Nurse…

…and you would be right.

But it’s equally true for Sal.
If you’ve only played him one way, it’s on you. If nothing ever changed, it’s because you only played him one way, and if there were no strategy involved, it’s because you made a cookie-cutter build that didn’t require any to shine.

[capnslapabich]

No, I mean literally, there’s only one way to play Sal. It’s kind of not on me…just sayin.

His entire everything (save for his one team bullet regen COM) is just pure “how many times in a row and how fast can I shoot a money shot”.

If I’m wrong, tell me what else there is. I’m actually genuinely asking because I guessed I’ve missed it in my ~6 playthroughs with Sal

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

Hey Hey Hey There’s at least 2 Ways to Play Sal, Utility Gun + DMG Gun (Either of Same Type to boost Divergent Likeness or DPS beatstick) and Rocket Armageddon with Vladofs. so Nyah

[VaultHunter101 (So long, and thanks for all the fish)]

I asked about this a while ago. For what it’s worth, the thread is here:

Non-gunzerking Gunzerker?

Is there a level 72 build for Sal that gives you the option of not gunzerking continuously through mobs? Curious to know what other play-styles are viable with this character end-game (not OP though). Thanks!

Unfortunately, the links to the old forum pages are all snarled up…

[capnslapabich]

Non-gunzerking Gunzerker?

I understand that two guns blazing basically defines Sal, just finding it gets a little monotonous after a bit.

This pretty much sums it up though

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

@capnslapabich

No, I mean literally, there’s only one way to play Sal. It’s kind of not on me…just sayin.

Nope, that’s totally, completely and utterly untrue.
Just because you don’t KNOW other ways to play Sal doesn’t mean that there aren’t any other.

@capnslapabich

His entire everything (save for his one team bullet regen COM) is just pure “how many times in a row and how fast can I shoot a money shot”.

That’s how the “most recognizable Sal build around” works, not “how Sal works”

@capnslapabich

If I’m wrong, tell me what else there is. I’m actually genuinely asking because I guessed I’ve missed it in my ~6 playthroughs with Sal

Your number of playthroughs are irrelevant if you never tried to play him in another way.

Fair enough.

Here’s one for a start that relies on precise aiming, timing, and a bit of game mechanics knowledge

[Build] Deputy Sal

Updated for level 80! Hello everyone! I would like to take a few lines to thank those who’s input has helped shape this build into what it is today. So many thanks to: @itothemagine, @Sljm @akdere1, @Ganza, @Afro_Samurai, @BookEmDano, @Kurtdawg13, @Jefe, @Piemanlee, @kbk160008, Imit8m3, Poisoned, Jimmy_cornflower, Grimw, Theweird, SirPatman, Relix28, Umcio, Dotanuki, and many others. Thank you all! (Damn forum only lets me tag 10 people) This build is designed to let you do mass…

here’s another one harnessing the Pimpernel’s strenghts to Sal’s advantage:

OP8 Handsome Jack and The Warrior Get Pimp Slapped

Here’s one using the Hoarder COM that focuses on fire rate

Borderlands 2 - Salvador The Kitten

here’s another build using the Hoarder COM, taking advantage of Sal’s ammo capacities

Borderlands 2 - Salvador the White Master of Death

Here’s a Melee build using the 2 guns mechanics to double the blade’s melee bonuses

IN BRICK'S SHOES! Melee Salvador - Bandit Slaughter Round 5 - OP8 Melee Challenge

Oh! and here’s one that only uses rocket launchers!

Borderlands 2 - "Rocket Launchers Don't Fire That Fast" they said... - REMAKE

I Honestly don’t have the time to get a video out for them all, but
there’s one that focuses on Brawn, even in the OP levels

There’s the last one I was doing with the Longbow and a War Dog COM

Dual Rubi seems to work great too.

Pure pistols with Anarchists and a Renegade COM is also awesome

(BTW, excluding the first one, none of these builds rely on money shot… some even don,t have it specced at all… and the first one is NOTHING like your description of the “sole build” for Sal)

Long story short: there is as much diversity with Sal as with any other character in BL2

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

too be fair my first build sums up pretty much all of those builds barring the melee and the rocket one.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

…And the Deputy ?

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

I mean yours is the classiest and most unique of the “Utility Gun + Beatstick” combo because of how beautifully an offhand Orphan Maker breaks the system, but it is like that in essence.