Honestly, if you want more of a challenge, just play the game with Under-leveled Gear.
Problem solved. Everybody wins.
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Good for you. I’ve just completed my 9th Moze (from the ground up) build in Xbox. It’s tedious but at least not lazy.
I think PC players can just copy/paste save files.
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Oh stop playing games people. Start working. Get a job. Don’t be lazy.
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The game has been tailored around the casual gamer tastes from the beginning. There’s no difficulty spectrum. It’s either supereasy or easy, so that nobody ever begin to think about getting frustrated.
Should they cater to jobless adults who take games too seriously?
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Honestly, I’ve played every Borderlands game, and they have never actually been hard. The Borderlands idea of hard is just making you take forever to kill the boss/enemies and making you die super fast. In both those cases, the this just incentivizes you to brute force harder by melting the enemy faster than it can melt you, or obnoxiously delaying you from killing the enemy with forced mechanics like phase changes and immunity stages.
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It can be difficult for people to recognize their own privilege, and this game is a great example. It like listening to people who already have their degree complaining about how college is too accessible to the “filthy casuals”.
I remember the first legendary I received was a level 12 COM from Moxxie’s bar. The extra bonuses made my Flak feel so powerful, I thought the rest of the game would be too easy. But after a while the pets started annoying me, the freaking swamp-rat really annoyed me, so I had to start over on TVHM, drop my pet and try to find a build that didn’t rely on those idiots. Eventually I just gave up and moved on to another character.
But there are a lot of ways to make the game more challenging. An not everyone is at the streamer-levels. I couldn’t even imagine doing a MTD in under 30 mins, much less 3. But I also know that my “skill”, builds, and gear is a step up from my friends’. I find plenty of ways to challenge myself, without the need to severely punish others who may not be at my level.
And unless you have amazing luck or receive “gifts from friends”, making boss-fights a more tedious process without a better system for upgrading gear will drive away more player than it attracts. Sure you might get the OP item, with the right anoint/element/parts/bonuses/skill on the first run. But realistically, it can take 100 runs just to get close to the god-roll.
There are plenty of punishing games out there where you can ninja-loot other players, PK them, and generally be as edgy as you like. But this game isn’t, and shouldn’t be one of them. But if you want more of challenge, then do any number of the following:
- Only use white gear. Even on M10 (anoints are fine as you can’t get away from them)
- Never respec. If a patch changes or adds new skills, create a new character.
- Play true hard-core and delete your character when you die (or give yourself a certain number of lives).
- Don’t bank anything, don’t mule your money. If you can’t carry it, drop something else.
- Don’t use your LLM.
- Don’t buy anything from the vending machines, not even ammo.
- Don’t use shields, COMs, grenade mods, or artifacts.
- Only keep and use weapons in your active slots. (4 max).
- Don’t buy any SDUs. If you already have then, start a new character. (it’ll make losing money on respawns less painful).
- Play single-player split-screen for added difficulty, but no additional help. (That’s how I roll, but I actually like being OP and having extra drops).
- Don’t spend all of your points, or limit yourself to a tier or single tree.
And I’m sure there are many more ideas. Point is, anyone can make the game more difficult for themselves without dragging everyone else down.
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Apparently they already do with the full time streamers.
Oh, I’m on PC, why should I do that?
In BL2 I know of a few PC players that copy/pasted save files to farm quest rewards- I imagine that that would apply to BL3 as well…
Yeah, but I’m sure this message meant more like, using other save files or something like that.
Anyway, copy/pasting save files in the way that you mention is stupid (Waste of Time, not to mention the fact that they made it even harder to do it in BL3 than it was in BL2 by not even being able to easily read-only farm, in BL3 if you do read-only farming, it will still, somehow, overwrite the file), if you can’t get an item because of stupid, then just edit it in. They tried to make it legitimately fair so they added only main campaign quest rewards to Earl’s Vendor… what about DLC items?
That would require a writing team composed of some persons other than the fine folks who brought you Dick and Jane: Cliff’s Notes for Dummies Edition 3.
Embrace The Pain or find another game …
It is what it is. Love it or leave it but whatever you do, don’t be a Tinder Snowflake and try to ruin the town because someone else is enjoying some joyful music.
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No.
The game should have its own difficulty spectrum so nobody is forced to resort to any gimmick or handicap in order to experience some challenge. I know I can’t beat nightmare on doom eternal right now and that’s ok with me. I never got all my characters to op10 on BL2 except for broken Sal. And that’s ok too.
I hear you struggle with this game. What mayhem level are you playing? What is your build? Can you farm for better gear? Or maybe you just need more practice?
Finally, consider reserving the word “privilege” for specific instances. It seems today that whenever some people find themselves slacking they put the focus on the other’s “privilege” rather than introspecting.
How am I privileged for being able to tackle endgame easily on this particular game? Have I inherited my gear? Wasn’t there any effort or time invested into it?
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My dude, you’ll be bombarded with crybabies saying that the difficult is fine, I personally think that those people were very likely the children that used to get medals even if they lost the competitions.
I think they should make a hardcore mode for us, I myself can not play this game anymore, because the only challenge that I have is specifically the crystal parts on GT, and that’s all.
The problem is that those more casual players got used to M10 and the reward for it, they expect to get the best weapons available without any hardwork, I say let them have it, just make another mode that doesn’t give any extra reward, but let the game way harder.
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Nor will it ever be. However, saying a game can’t have even the slightest difficulty because “it ain’t dark souls” is absolutely ludicrous on so many levels.
For one, explain how the standards for difficulty are Borderlands or Dark Souls? What, is there no between? It’s just black and white?
Second, have gamers become so conditioned to developers holding their hands constantly, that the very idea of having some difficulty makes it akin to a brutally difficult series like Dark Souls?
Come on, bro. That’s just silly. No one’s asking Gearbox to put BL4 in Lordran with bonfires for checkpoints. Were asking for a game that doesn’t let you one shot every boss with no effort put in. The game from start to finish is an absolute joke when it comes to difficulty.
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Man, that quote alone proves how easy this game is.
What is the meaning behind “legendary”? Something that you are not supposed to see, just hear about it, it is a legend, myth.
You got your first LEGENDARY gear at lvl 12. BL2 has one of the best loot system in all looter shooters created, and I got my first legendary there on UVHM, lvl 50ish, 50+ hours of gameplay.
My point is, bl3 players don’t even remember the meaning of legendary gear, that’s how easy it is.
And about all your “tips” on how to make the game harder, I just have one:
- GB makes the M10 difficult as hell, and players that want it easier just drop down the M mode…
Same effect as all your suggestion, but of course you won’t like it, because you won’t be able to get the best guns (with scaling), while you say people that want a challenge, should completely remove the coolest guns available, builds, skills… Which one sounds like is making a greater sacrifice?
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I really think those people forgot how games used to be before this “gamer boom” or they just didn’t play back then.
The difficulty the famous darksouls games have are basically how most games used to be, DS is not extremely harder, is just that new games are every year becoming easier and easier (the new TR franchise, as cool as it is, almost play by itself)
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It just angers me seeing people respond like that “lol if u want hard go play dark souls.”
Not only does this completely misrepresent difficulty, but the Souls franchise aswell. While the combat and boss battles are parts of it, it’s a handful of other mechanics that contribute. No mini map, limited heals that only refill at bonfires which are also your only checkpoints, actual punishment for death via the blood stain system, and just constantly asking yourself “where the ■■■■ do I have to go???” Because the game doesn’t tell you ■■■■.
Last I checked, no one asking for any of this. We dont want BL to suddenly shift its focus on being a Souls-like game. All we want is a game that forces players to put in a tad of brain power when they run into a mob of 30 enemies to kill them in 5 seconds flat. Is that really so hard to ask for?
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I understand you completely, but probably those that say “go play ds” never played it themselves, to them I just say “if you want an easy game, go play mario kart”.
But, being honest with you, I blame this failed game all on GB youtubers, like Moxsy, they don’t let people discover the game, they don’t even let people figure out the tree builds, and they just make a legion of fans agree with everything they say (for example, the game is in a good place), they make it seem awesome to oneshot bosses with no hardwork, they promptly tell you what is good and bad, they make casuals think they have to play on M10 (while in bl2, most players never made it to OP8) .
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Its not youtubers fault nor the fans its 100 percent gbx fault they are responsible for how their game turns out wether they listen to youtubers or players they are the captain of this ship.
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