Gearbox didn’t actually make the Pre-Sequel, 2k Australia did. Gearbox acknowledged it as canon and helped write it a bit
Still doesn’t make mutch sense, tho.
Explain how it doesnt?
but same two games happened in the same universe and same character
unless you want to miss with the character and lore
Because the song is just there to make a tribute to Lilith.
The song doen’t say “This girl is on fire and man’s are not”.
"She’s just a girl, and she’s on fire
Hotter than a fantasy, longer like a highway
She’s living in a world, and it’s on fire
Feeling the catastrophe, but she knows she can fly away
Oh, she got both feet on the ground
And she’s burning it down
Oh, she got her head in the clouds
And she’s not backing down
This girl is on fire
This girl is on fire
She’s walking on fire
This girl is on fire
Looks like a girl, but she’s a flame
So bright, she can burn your eyes
Better look the other way
You can try but you’ll never forget her name
She’s on top of the world
Hottest of the hottest girls say
Oh, we got our feet on the ground
And we’re burning it down
Oh, got our head in the clouds
And we’re not coming down
This girl is on fire
This girl is on fire
She’s walking on fire
This…"
Where is the propaganda? like…literally. 
I was referring to the whole ending, not just the song. I said the song was a cringey pun.
Regardless, the whole story focuses on all powerful siren women. They even included a man siren in this game only to extinguish that notion halfway through the game. They also make him entirely dependent on his stronger female sister and then he even becomes more of a fall guy when she uses him before he is removed.
Then the ending is the three female heroines standing there (my character still not existent having done all the work, as to not cast shade over the heroic siren heroes) and lilith rides off into the sunset with that song soon to follow while mostly pictures of the female cast playing next to the credits.
That’s what I mean.
I liked the story and the ending. A handful of things could of been better, but I always skip dialogue in every Borderlands game after the first couple playthroughs.
The Story mode won’t matter in the long run.
They quite literally explain what Troy is, why does he have powers and why he’s dependent on the sister.
What else could’ve they have done? lol
What about when he was killing the sister just to use his powers?
The whole series has been like that, don’t get mad about it just because the protagonists are Sirens and not strong macho mans.
Not true.
The credits showed ALL the characters several times too.
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So to be unhappy with propaganda in a series I like means I’m unhappy because the protagonists aren’t all macho men. Careful your bias is showing. I never once said that I prefer protein guzzling alpha males. I just dont like heavy handed propaganda of any kind and this games story is obviously skewed in a PC pro feminist way.
I dont approve. I think both men and women can be strong, typically in different ways, but not always.
My point about Troy is that the one main Male character in the game is a tool being used by his sister more than he is using her to live. Even when he was hurting her it only serves her in the end. I personally believe Troy was set up. Tyreen didn’t seem to miss him at all and even thanked him for his departure. The fact that it is “explained” doesn’t change that it was designed that way to showcase all the strong women. Explaining it doesn’t disprove what I’m saying. Quite the contrary.
And lastly never said others weren’t shown in the credits. The words are there in plain English. Go reread. I said “mostly”.
She aint dead, she’s the Phoenix, remember the Hammerlock hunt where you killed the Phoenix and it rose from the dead cause that’s what Phoenix’s do.
I guess Hammerlock and Jacobs didn’t exist? Or Rhys or Vaughn? Or Typhon? Honestly, there were other male characters in the game with relevance (Jacobs is actually probably my favourite new npc). I’m sorry they weren’t all Sirens. One of the issues this game had was just dropping characters rather than letting them stick around (Rhys not doing much once Katagawa’s gone, Brick/Mordy/Tina all chilling out and ignoring the main plot line, Maya getting dusted so quick, Zer0 doing nothing but handing out missions after Katagawa) but that’s just bad writing, not some secret sjw agenda.
Again, bad writing. Myself and others anticipated his conflict with his sister to be a big part of the plot, when he gets his power and no longer has to rely on her… but he just dies and it has zero impact.
???
I think you’re confusing yourself tbh. It’s not that this game is specifically trying to showcase powerful women, but rather that Sirens are, canonically, only female. Troy was a parasite because of being a twin that was presumably joined to his sister. He is a villain. He was going to get taken down sooner or later. Just because all the powerful beings aren’t men doesn’t mean it’s trying to show off ‘girl power’… I mean, would you even blink if it was just a bunch of powerful dudes? Obviously that couldn’t be an agenda, but make it women and some people will get upset…
Which men were missing? We got Hammerlock and Jacobs, Rhys, Vaughn, those robots mourning Typhon, Zer0, that cowboy guy, I’m pretty sure Markus is in the back of Ellie’s truck, we see the full roster of vault hunters including Zane, Brick and Mordacai are playing Bunkers and Badasses… no one’s excluded as far as I can tell.
You know, I’ve heard that if a room is full of half men and half women, men will perceive it as there being more women. The only unfair part of the credits as far as I can see is Ava getting 3 pictures. The game really wanted to focus on how ‘important’ she was, but forgot that they needed to make her a likeable character and give her a proper journey. Like I’ve said before, no agenda about it, it’s just bad writing…
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I think, it’s true, the worst part of a games community posts on the forums. All of the comments here prove that
Lol you mean me? I’m the worst part or the community because I dont like propaganda in games? Wow. Talk about an overstatement. Perceived or real, my opinion about propaganda in video games shouldn’t be earth shattering. It is becoming more prevalent.
If it were the opposite and nothing but a cast of men over shadowing women, you dont think SJWs wouldn’t come out of the works and protest? It’s not a secret that gearbox and the moderators here prefer a left of center ideology; one that goes in tandem with female empowerment, and a propensity to over promote such ideals.
I have nothing against powerful women but I dont like agendas being mixed into my games. You can disagree but it is obvious to me that it is there. Women empowerment isn’t even the only one. Just the most aggressive one.
There are other Male characters, yes. I did say troy was the only main male character. You cant even argue Zane is a main character because it would only matter if you played him and even then, he’s not going to be in any of the cut scenes besides the opening one.
Rhys, hammerlock, and Wainwright are support characters. Zero is not identifiable as male or even human for that matter. Fl4k is being called “they”(under threat of a ban on the forums mind you) despite the fact he refers to himself as “I” instead of “we” in a lot of his quips.
If the story revolved around men primarily for no other reason than promoting men over women, yeah I would disapprove. My issue is that there is a long list of men characters in this game that go seriously ignored to focus nearly exclusively on women for no reason that I can discern. Brick, Mordecai, Axton, Salvador, Krieg, Torgue are all under utilized in this sequel despite being involved in discovering all the many vaults in 2.
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I feel it is more so a case of poor writing, Athena and Gortys are immensely lore important characters, and yet they aren’t present either.
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Exactly. No idea why either. They could have been support characters for all the female leads and that would have made a lot of sense even, but they’re just MIA with half the remaining male characters.
Lol that comment above about a couple of typhons robots being male characters. "I’m offended by your misuse of pronouns. "
Yeah it’s kinda hard not to feel that way about this ending, it felt forced. First they took away liliths power then gave them back and ended it with that? What’s with the song? And “that” pop son, wtf, I get it that the sirens are powerful and somehow significant to the eridians but that ending kinda came out of nowhere and really felt like they were pushing women’s power which isn’t necessary because we all already knew lilith was a badass. I think torgue said it best…“GENDER EQUALITY!!!”.
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Sounds like you are very very insecure. You might want to work on that.
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We are all insecure in one way or another. You might want to realize that. And if I were being insecure about this, it wouldn’t make the facts of what I’m saying less true. Only how some internalize it in comparison to others.
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It’s pretty universally agreed that the ending wasnt that good and came out of nowhere when you look at the whole game, and I’ve heard many people say it, even popular youtubers, that its issues are attributed to the forced women’s power theme, and to be honest if you really look at the game its full of sjw themes that really only are noticed once you see the ending, I dont think it’s a matter of people being insecure about it, it just feels forced and unnecessary.
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