Story Time with Jythri


(Dwarfurious) #37

Need more BOLDUR lore!


(The Red Bar Observer) #38

I bet this line really breaks the ice at parties!


(lowlines - PS4) #39

All this talk of lore has got me to finally do something I said I was going to do a while ago…


I still haven’t gone through and tagged all the news articles and battleplan stuff yet (there’s also a bunch of events not being output yet either (because I haven’t got a approx. date yet for them or missed them in my first pass), but at least there’s something to look at now :sunglasses:

Also as mentioned in the legend, there are 2 other calendar systems in use here.

I.R - Imperial Rule, which I consider is +5 C.R., aka the day Empress Lenore came into power. She uses it in the letterhead whenever she sends a message to someone. @Kitru on Discord has argued with me excessively over this 5 year time offset…

V.C. - Valkyrie Chronicles, which is the name of Reyna’s diary. Each entry is marked by the number of days since she started. Through the power of math, I believe she started her diary circa 19940.217 C.R., which of course assumes she has been consistently writing something every single day (or at least keeping track of the number of days since she started).

Both of these date systems are converted dynamically so I don’t have to go back and change each one if new information arises that requires adjusting these offsets.

[edit]

I have also been thinking about making a Battleborn Event Calendar (mapped to the Gregorian Calendar) with character birthdays and anniversaries of key events such as Solus Day. People have already tossed up ideas of having in-game events around these dates such as everyone playing as Rath on his birthday etc.


(Jabrielthomas) #40

A lot to unpack there. But I knew Alani had to be in her Late teens early 20s. She too annoying not to be. Shayne is 16 and gay, also knew that. The whole family lineage for the Aelfrin, is really confusing. And wait, if Variamorphs have a definite gender than saying “she is female for now” kind of goes against that, doesn’t it? It mean she can change her gender, so her gender isn’t definite, right? Also, then man Ghalt might be older than I thought he was. I thought he was like 52. Finally, and this is my biggest question, Why is Alani aquatic? I don’t remember Heletians being Aquatic and humans certainly aren’t. Her nanotech allows her to control it, but It doesn’t allow her to breath it, does it? And if it does, how does that work? I mean she has gills, but then we come back to her make-up. I guess I would like to learn more about character biology. Also, glad to see Caldarius powered through to not end it all. I know that feel bro.


(The Red Bar Observer) #41

Battleborn is a trans-inclusive setting, which is how I interpreted the qualifier.


#42

They explained Alani’s backstory in the 20th Battleplan.


(Jabrielthomas) #43

Yeah, but it’s a little different when they can change at the drop of the hat, right? I mean, that means that they really have no or have both genders. Actually the concept of a variamorph has always confused me. Since the release. I mean, if you can change your form into anything at anytime and constantly do, do you really have an identity? Not even gender, just in general. Could you even remember what you once were if you constantly change? Do variamorphs have an original form? Is it always the same? Does it have/need a gender? Can it actually age(since you can just change your form). Man, Orendi just got a lot more interesting. No wonder Variamorphs are insane.


(Jabrielthomas) #44

Well, that answers that question. A tad extreme, you’d think they’d just not pick a water planet, but okay. Also “You may ask, “Are Helicians aquatic?” and to that, I’d say catch Galilea Azmozeus try and tell a joke, you can’t get much drier.” That pun was so bad it hurt


(The Red Bar Observer) #45

Chaos reigns. :wink:


(Jabrielthomas) #46

Her species really does bring up a lot of question.


#47

3rd batch of chat log. Sorry, I got distracted by playing Battleborn and then I realized 6 hours had gone by… lots of Attikus and Toby Ops…

[details=Summary]Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:00 PM
well, the Miko spore you play is actually referenced as being “born” in the War of Being

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:00 PM
The bud we know currently as Miko spawned in 19,209, just after the War of Being started. Yes.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:01 PM
But the original Mikollopria first gained sentience over a million years before

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:01 PM
does our Miko share that original one’s memories?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:02 PM
Some of them @Kitru but imperfect and dimming now that it’s cut off from the colony

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:02 PM
another fun thing to explore at some point is how much Miko is now asserting individualism compared to the original buds

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:02 PM
btw, did you guys have a lot of issues using the proper pronouns with Miko?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:03 PM
Miko wasn’t too bad to dodge around. That’s half the fun.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:03 PM
An alternate universe where Aplians have giant heads and tiny bodies

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:03 PM
so the Darkened planet Miko still exists?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:04 PM
Stay tuned, @General Pandacat ??? THAT particular universe is closer than you think.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:04 PM
@Kitru What gave you that impression? :smiley:

Kaleidodemon - 12/15/2016 at 2:04 PM
We still don’t entirely understand what ‘darkening’ a planet means.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:05 PM
@Kaleidodemon You understand almost exactly as much as the average person in the Battleborn universe currently understands about Darkening.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:07 PM
and, in jythri’s headcanon, Caldy flirts with Phoebe

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:07 PM
Dangerous thing, my headcanon.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:08 PM
It’s sorta like a year ago, I was telling someone I wanted to write some fanfiction for some of the lore I couldn’t include in the main game.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:08 PM
And they said, “Uh Randy…that’s just fiction, when you write it.”

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:09 PM
I have a couple of blurbs. I have a seven page short of Phoebe forging Addonexus.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:09 PM
Who’s idea was it to have Whiskey Foxtrot and Deande dating?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:10 PM
@General Pandacat ??? My idea.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:10 PM
I wrote most of the character backgrounds and in-game lore items late at night in October-November last year.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:11 PM
They’re pretty discreet with their relationship.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:11 PM
You can earn his “Blue Devil” title in the Update, though.
Isn’t Constable Cuddles Rendain’s dog?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:12 PM
Yes.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:12 PM
what kind of dog is Constable Cuddles?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:12 PM
A pug, I believe.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:13 PM
The idea behind cuddles is that Rendain is so visually intimidating that it is often hard for him tohave a normal conversation with his underlings.

Garland - 12/15/2016 at 2:13 PM
I actually love those interactions

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:13 PM
So, he has this dog around him all the time that can be handed to someone to help them calm down enough so they can talk to him.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:13 PM
what’s a haresburra?

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:13 PM
That’s actually kinda benevolent

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:14 PM
Rendain is…complicated.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:14 PM
Rendain is an anti-villain which makes him awesome
I love the dialogue in Experiment

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:14 PM
He is very VERY Jennerit.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:14 PM
He embodies their core ethos better than Lenore, in some ways.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:15 PM
Harresburras are small marmot-like creatures. Imagine something between a rabbit and a marmot.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:15 PM
humorous headcanon wants that to be Lenore

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:15 PM
@Kitru No comment on giant guy with shields. :smiley:

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:16 PM
Man, i can’t wait to talk again after the Heart of Ekkunar. :smile:

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:16 PM
Is Heart of Ekkunar the next one?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:16 PM
Nope. Battle School, Demon Bear, Heart of Ekkunar.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:17 PM
Those are my three favorite operations, btw.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:17 PM
Thrall and TOby were fun. These next three are really really cool

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:17 PM
btw, does Thaddeus actually look like a leopard seal or is taht just a shapeshifter-y illusion?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:18 PM
@Kitru Hard to tell, but great question. There’s probably some resemblance there.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:18 PM
But Thaddeus is a Lorrian, right? They’re not completely seal-like.

Garland - 12/15/2016 at 2:18 PM
The Lorrian was an entity trho?
not a species?
an identy and a positon in the underworlds information network

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
Both.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
Lorrian is a species; “The Lorrian” is a specific entity

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
@Kitru Kitru has it right!

Kaleidodemon - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
Basically the Lorrians are a race, but THE Lorrian is an individual.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
yep yep

wesdianboston - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
i dont know when i see the lorrian i think of back to the future car

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
LOL
BAM!

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:19 PM
similar to calling Galilea “The Helician”

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:20 PM
@wesdianboston SUPA PUN HI FIVE!

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:20 PM
Don’t high five him, he has an El Dragon skin, he’ll take your arm clean off

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:20 PM
Galilea - The Wraith of Bliss. Love that epithet

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:21 PM
oh, you also need to tell to the VA of Galilea that she did an amazing job while recording the audiolog, still throwing chills down my spine(edited)

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:21 PM
You know Galilea and Nova are the same VA, right?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:22 PM
Coleen Clinkenbeard. Who was also Lilith in Borderlands. She’s amazing.

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:22 PM
Still, you need to tell her what I said, amazing voice acting

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:23 PM
I’ll pass it on @Larssya

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:23 PM
btw, I know @Eden is gonna want to know: is Mellka gay?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:24 PM
@Kitru I think so. Shayne, definitely so.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:25 PM
But is Aurox gay?

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:25 PM
ooh
Aurox is a genderless space rock alien

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:25 PM
Hehe. Love Aurox. He’s a “guayota”. Google that. :smiley:

wesdianboston - 12/15/2016 at 2:27 PM
is reyna one eyed or normal 2 eyed with eye gear?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:28 PM
Reyna has two normal eyes. That’s just an enhanced HUD device she wears

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:28 PM
Reyna is another who doesn’t talk about her sexual orientation at all. Much to Ghalt’s chagrin.

Kaleidodemon - 12/15/2016 at 2:29 PM
Helps aim her Priority target, am I correct?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:29 PM
Yep @Kaleidodemon

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:29 PM
Ghalt likes Reyna?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:29 PM
They’ve flirted a lot over the years. Ghalt, though, is too caught up in his work. As is Reyna.

Leaddybum - 12/15/2016 at 2:30 PM
my eyes are actually straining from how long ive been reading this chat omg

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:30 PM
Oh wow. I’ve been here from hours.
for hours. I can no longer grammar.

The Magna Carta - 12/15/2016 at 2:30 PM
@jythri do you have a large leather bound dusty tome which is titled. “The complete and fully comprehensive edition of all the lore in battleborn”

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:31 PM
I have… a set of spreadsheets, word docs, and internal wiki pages. :smiley:
So, yes.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:32 PM
what is Nova’s specific brand of Magnus insanity?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:32 PM
Nova is holding it together better than most, thanks to Ghalt. He has that affect on people.

Garland - 12/15/2016 at 2:32 PM
I’m actually Curious about Kleeses Farret
Will we ever see it in game?

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:32 PM
I thought it was a cat

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:32 PM
OH! The Blargavian Nose Ferret? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:33 PM
he has a holocat but an actual ferret

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:33 PM
Oh man. Yeah, we’ll have to come back to that. That was a late night, coffee-induced bit of insanity in lore-writing. I needs to appear in game.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:34 PM
Newsflash: Kleese is the biggest troll in the entire universe.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:34 PM
btw, is Kleese actually a Dr?

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:34 PM
the only time he’s ever had that honorific was in last week’s battleplan lore

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:35 PM
@Kitru Hmm. Probably not. I think that was a jab. He’s definitely one of the better human scientists.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:35 PM
Yeah, I could kick myself. I forgot to add a “Doctor Professor Boldur” title in the update.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:35 PM

you have failed us

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
I have! I will now enact kabuki.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
kabuki? not seppuku?
or hara-kiri?

Eden - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
@Jythri, what’s your feeling about fanfic? I know that @Benedict_87 and I take a lot of liberties with the characters - do you guys feel protective about the world and the lore, or do you enjoy that people play around with it?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
Oh. Yeah, that too.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
you’re going to act?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:36 PM
Yes. Acting. Ritual suicide through drama.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:37 PM
@Eden Go for it! If you love it, and have the energy, write away.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:37 PM
@Eden It is, of course, not approved canon. But I’m honored that you deem the world interesting enough to explore with me.

Garland - 12/15/2016 at 2:37 PM
I have an important question.
Is Caldarius Suicidal?
His voice lines kinda hint dissapointment when he respawns
if so

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:38 PM
@Garland Great question, actually. He probably was for a time. He’s recovering from a really really bad hundred year imprisonment.

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:39 PM
Caldy x Phoebe incoming

Kaleidodemon - 12/15/2016 at 2:39 PM
Phoebe is more into the suit than the Kemmesian though, isn’t she?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:40 PM
@Kaleidodemon That’s probably true, yes. Tech is to Phoebe like chocolate is for the rest of us.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:41 PM
also, who is Sister Cabaletta?

wesdianboston - 12/15/2016 at 2:41 PM
what about pendles is he one eyed? looks like it

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:41 PM
he is one eyed

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:41 PM
I thought everyone knew who Cabaletta was but me

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:41 PM
Pendles lost an eye, right?

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:42 PM
there ain’t gonna be any AMA at this rate

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:42 PM
@Kitru Sister Cabaletta - uh. A silent sister. I’d have to ask Sam for further details.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:43 PM
Bah. AMA. we can still do that and do gameplay and other stuff. 12/15/2016 is Solus Day, and I’m having a blast answering lore questions.

The Magna Carta - 12/15/2016 at 2:46 PM
Nice having Gearbox people here though - you should get some of the others chased in here too @jythri for general discussion even or just to chat to people every now and then.
I know Menace used to be around a lot, mainly in matchmaking and I think Sushin and Scruberaser spent quite a while here at one point too

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:46 PM
I’m going to try and be around a lot more next year.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:47 PM
Now that we’re done with the immense huge massive mega Winter Update, I want to spend more time talking and interacting and listening to you guys to find out where we go next.

Larssya - 12/15/2016 at 2:47 PM
who needs to do homework when you can learn about Varelsi, srsly

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:48 PM
If you want to understand the Varelsi concept more, though, you really need to read Orson Scott Card’s “Speaker of the Dead”.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:48 PM
I tried reading it in middle school

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:48 PM
It’s …yeah. It’s a harder book. Conceptual sci-fi (sequel to Ender’s Game).

Kaleidodemon - 12/15/2016 at 2:49 PM
I’d love to see more lore added into the game itself. A new section added for it. Planet lore. Faction lore. Everything. All the stuff from the forums, main website, AMA’s, etc all added to one place. Even if we have to unlock it with challenges or credits or whatever. Hell, maybe even hide it in loot packs as a collectable, I don’t care.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:49 PM
Me to, Kal.

The Magna Carta - 12/15/2016 at 2:49 PM
Is speaker of the dead the second one? or is that further?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:49 PM
Speaker of the Dead is the sequel to Ender’s Game following Ender. There’s a whole other fork following Bean and the kids on earth.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:50 PM
Just look for the section in the beginning of Speaker of the Dead where Valentine is lecturing on the degrees of alien-ness.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:51 PM
That reminds me. Is there anyone colorblind on the team? @jythri

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:51 PM
Yes.

Eden - 12/15/2016 at 2:52 PM
I’m also a sci fi author, so I love world building too, but my first love is character drama and the use of SF to explore cultural and emotional themes. I’d love to see BB take advantage of its diverse cast and go deeper into them and their connections with one another.

General Pandacat ??? - 12/15/2016 at 2:52 PM
I really love that you’re able to designate team colors yourself, instead of just a “colorblind” mode

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:52 PM
Er. Yes, I think so @General Pandacat ??? For Borderlands, it was Anthony Burch. I’m pretty sure we still have a couple in the company tha tare coloblind.

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:52 PM
@Eden So would I.

Kitru - 12/15/2016 at 2:57 PM
btw, with S&A, how exactly does Shane control Aurox?
the lore casts it as something like “if I press this button, you die” but, if it’s like that, why doesn’t Aurox just kill Shane in her sleep?

jythri - 12/15/2016 at 2:59 PM
@Kitru It’s not mechanical, I think the button is just a bluff.[/details]


(Thrall Lover) #48

I’m sad that i missed out on that! I’d love to have a chance to know more about Attikus as a person, instead of the role he had to fill. Hell, I’d like to know more about Thralls in general! Where have the females been kept? Will we ever see the girls? (Or the pups?) Will we see any friendly thrall in future story ops, now that they’ve been successfully liberated? Are there any lore scraps you can throw my way, @Jythri?


(Ambra's Arbiter) #49

I don’t think anyone here can blame you for that


#50

And the final chat log.

[details=Summary]jythri - Today at 3:00 PM
@Garland WE haven’t specified whether he’s the last Kemessian or not.

Garland - Today at 3:00 PM
Are there other Shock Troopers? In rendains forces?

jythri - Today at 3:00 PM
Plenty of other Shock Troopers, yes. There were, at least at one point, 999+ divisions of them.

Eden - Today at 3:01 PM
if Mellka and Shayne are legit gay, I will be sure to name drop BB at my panels and talks on queer media this (coming) year, assuming Gearbox don’t mind free publicity. Which is a question, actually: should we take what’s discussed here as semi-official in the context of discussing the game to a wider audience?

jythri - Today at 3:02 PM
@Eden Great questions. I’ll confirm Mellka for you and get back. On the official-ness of stuff here: Yes. If it comes from me (and I’m not contradicting myself or the in-game lore) it’s official and canon.

jythri - Today at 3:05 PM
I will also mention that we didn’t go too far with issues of sexuality in-game because we were shooting for the T rating. There are some things that were canon in creation, but may or may not ever show up in in-game text or related lore.

Eden - Today at 3:07 PM
Makes sense, @jythri. that’s an issue I’m well familiar with… it’s frustrating when we can depict violence but not be open about the identities of our characters

jythri - Today at 3:08 PM
May have an update in just a few minutes. Chatting with Mander now. :smiley:

Garland - Today at 3:09 PM
do all the player characters ragdoll when they disintagrate Randy?

jythri - Today at 3:09 PM
They start to, but then we disentegrate it to save perf, really.

Garland - Today at 3:10 PM
I have seen some moments randy like when they are bubbled by alani I’ve seen a Pheobe flop into pile of limbs in a dress in some cases and find it hilarious.
you guys should make the disentegrate effect kick in a lil later .
but that would onl;y be for my amusement
i just want the option of seeing it
i’ve seen melka flop pretty hard too. and montana slump

Garland - Today at 3:12 PM
Yeah but after the animations they ragdoll

jythri - Today at 3:13 PM
:smiley:

jythri - Today at 3:13 PM
You know…I’ll see if that’s something that’s an easy change.

Garland - Today at 3:14 PM
hey randy will the dojo have ai battleborn you canchoose to spar with or practice on?
please add that kinda stuff
I would love to see Jello Caldarius jiggleing on the ground
and laugh my ass off

jythri - Today at 3:14 PM
Now now…I’ll save Dojo questions for the AMA. :smiley:

The Magna Carta - Today at 3:14 PM
I was quite disappointed Ernest couldn’t launch allies with his explosive charge helix @jythri was that something you ever tried in developer builds to launch characters at each other at high speed (2 dreadwind raths by any chance?)

jythri - Today at 3:15 PM
We generally avoid letting you move your allies around. It’s very funny for certain, but invites too much trolling

jythri - Today at 3:16 PM
We’re going to do a few things next year in some temp spotlight experiences that will let a bit more of the funny out. I may see if we can add ragdolling to some of that.

jythri - Today at 3:17 PM
@Eden still around?

Eden - Today at 3:17 PM
I’m here

jythri - Today at 3:19 PM
@Eden So, a blanket statement that with characters, our preference is to let you guys come to your own conclusions about sexuality and gender identities. That said…

jythri - Today at 3:20 PM
@Eden General internal canon is that Shayne is gay, Reyna is Bi (but really doesn’t have time for that), and Mellka is still exploring (she’s had a multi-year anger agenda to tick off first)

MentalMars - Today at 3:20 PM
wait what its the big man, hi @jythri

Kaleidodemon - Today at 3:20 PM
It’s MentalMars!

Kitru - Today at 3:20 PM
so Mellka probably identifies as “queer” or “questioning”

jythri - Today at 3:20 PM
HE IS GROOT
@Kitru Yep yep

Kitru - Today at 3:21 PM
are any of the gendered/biological characters asexual?

jythri - Today at 3:21 PM
@Garland Yeah. Balance.

MentalMars - Today at 3:21 PM
@jythri guardians of the galaxy 2 is coming !!! btw did you see rogue one yet ?

jythri - Today at 3:22 PM
@Kitru Hmm. Kelvin sorta?

Garland - Today at 3:22 PM
I love how Caldarius can survive a atmospheric entery but he can get shredded like tissue at some points

jythri - Today at 3:22 PM
@Garland Mostly, it has to do with our continued desire to make melee part of the fight. If we have full, pure fliers melee characters have a huge disadvantage.

Eden - Today at 3:24 PM
@Jythri That’s helpful information, thank you. Please express to Mellka my willingness to help her explore btw

jythri - Today at 3:24 PM
BTW all…sticking mainly to pure lore questions today. We do have an AMA coming up, and I’d like to save something for that.
@Eden :smile:

The Magna Carta - Today at 3:24 PM
Wait - how many conversations are working around each other here? Has to be some sort of record

jythri - Today at 3:24 PM
@MentalMars Going to see Rogue One in 3 hours!

Kitru - Today at 3:25 PM
not sure if you missed this one when I asked it before, but is the Alani/Galilea friendship as one sided as Alani’s lore makes it seem?

jythri - Today at 3:25 PM
@The Magna Carta Welcome to my world, Tokesy!

jythri - Today at 3:26 PM
@Kitru yeah. Galilea barely registers that Alani exists. Until the Heliophage was dealth with, the Battleborn didn’t exactly have a lot of time

Eden - Today at 3:27 PM
@jythri a followup thought: it seems neatly appropriate that Mell is an undecided character in so many ways - unsure about her culture, unsure about her sexuality, unsure about her loyalties. Is this “caught between two worlds” dynamic something that you guys hope to consciously develop, or are her future journeys up to us to imagine?

RooftopTango - Today at 3:28 PM
@jythri Hello there. So Alani has a piece of dialogue reffering to an ‘obsidian incubus’ that only she can see? Will that be expanded on at some point?

jythri - Today at 3:28 PM
@Kitru Alani is desperate to belong. And (like many Battleborn) has lost so much that she’s looking for anything she can find to help connect to others and her past.

Kitru - Today at 3:28 PM
@RooftopTango pretty sure that’s just Alani refering to the Varelsi (obsidian = black; incubus = demon)

jythri - Today at 3:29 PM
@Eden Yes. I talked about that before you got here this afternoon. She’s definitely on a journey.

jythri - Today at 3:29 PM
@RooftopTango LOL. WHAT? That’s …weird. I’m going to ask Sam Winkler about that (he wrote Alani)

jythri - Today at 3:30 PM
@RooftopTango @Kitru Kit is probably right, yeah.

Leaddybum - Today at 3:32 PM
I’m rlly curious about Rath’s relationships with the other Jennerit [it sounds like deande and him are close buddies? that fight a lot? alike to brother sister]

jythri - Today at 3:33 PM
@Leaddybum He and Deande (and Ambra to a degree) were all inner circle leadership for hundreds (really thousands) of years together.

jythri - Today at 3:33 PM
So, they are very well acquainted, for certain.

jythri - Today at 3:33 PM
Ambra and Rath are both very sympathetic to Caldarius (you can see that in the lore) and have reasons to be unusually close.

Kitru - Today at 3:34 PM
how do the rest of the cast feel about Ambra, Rath, and Deande getting full amnesty?

jythri - Today at 3:34 PM
@Kitru Amnesty from whom? Deande’s in charge now. :smiley:

General Pandacat ??? - Today at 3:35 PM
Man, we really need more post-Heliophage story

jythri - Today at 3:35 PM
@General Pandacat ??? That’s the next big BIG topic in the universe isn’t it? Now that the star is safe, who fills all the power vacuums?

Kitru - Today at 3:36 PM
the secret to making good gay/queer characters is not to make them gay/queer characters; it’s to make them characters that happen to be gay/queer

jythri - Today at 3:36 PM
@Kitru +1

The Magna Carta - Today at 3:37 PM
@jythri I know it’s unlikely but if you were to give a estimate if the game was to have a surge of new players and returning players what would you say is the likelyhood of more characters?

jythri - Today at 3:38 PM
@The Magna Carta SAve that for the AMA. :smiley:

Garland - Today at 3:38 PM
MISTER TORGUE IS A WELL WRITTEN CHARACTER
just saying

jythri - Today at 3:39 PM
Mr. Torgue = Rendain

Eden - Today at 3:40 PM
@jythri Is this now-open-and-leaking Pandora’s Box one of the reasons that character sexuality is unlikely to ever make it overtly into the lore? :wink:

winter - Today at 3:41 PM
What’s torgue = remain mean?

Leaddybum - Today at 3:41 PM
same VA

Magnus Nova - Today at 3:42 PM
same voice actor

jythri - Today at 3:42 PM
@Jythri It’s a hot-fire issue right now, and very open to a lot of personal feelings. Generally, we find that eveyone has a different idea of what is right for them there, and more people tend to get very offended when you’re not their flavor of treatment. So, it’s a “tread carefully” ground.

jythri - Today at 3:42 PM
@Jythri I’m messaging myself now.

jythri - Today at 3:42 PM
@Jythri Hey, look it’s Jythri! How are you Jythri?

jythri - Today at 3:42 PM
@Jythri Oh, I’m fine? And you?

Eden - Today at 3:42 PM
@jythri What’s it like to be friends with @jythri ?

jythri - Today at 3:42 PM
Oh that @Jythri guy is an ■■■■■■■. I wouldn’t listen to anything he says!

MentalMars - Today at 3:43 PM
There is @Jythri (2078) and @jythri (0731) hmmm…

jythri - Today at 3:43 PM
wait…WHAT? Who stole my capital J???

Kitru - Today at 3:43 PM
you stole it

Kitru - Today at 3:43 PM
with a diff account

jythri - Today at 3:43 PM
No I didn’t!
Yes I did!

Kaleidodemon - Today at 3:44 PM
The capitalized one is the account you had when you first joined the Discord. I still have no idea why you have this newer account really.

jythri - Today at 3:44 PM
Neither do I @Kaleidodemon

Eden - Today at 3:44 PM
I’m going to fire off one last question about the sexuality stuff (just for clarity later): @Jythri is it safe to say that many of the BB are probably open anyway? It’s always struck me that it’s a very fluid future setting where some people are countless mushrooms
I mean, there’s probably even someone out there who’d date Kleese.

jythri - Today at 3:45 PM
@Eden It’s a far-afield progressive future where many things are different and capable. There’s lots of room for exploration, like all great sci-fi.

Eden - Today at 3:46 PM
@jythri I see. And just to take my queries to a sober, formal conclusion, so what you’re saying is, ultimately, that yes, Mellka would go on a date with me(edited)

jythri - Today at 3:46 PM
@Eden What’s not to like about you, Eden? :smiley:

Garland - Today at 3:47 PM
@jythri you can’t hide it from us anymore I’ve figured out the secret. Caldarius. . . .is actually Zer0 THAUGHT YOU COULD HIDE IT FROM ME NOW COULD you?

jythri - Today at 3:47 PM
New canon lore: Caldarius is really SpongeBob in the future. There I SAID IT

Eden - Today at 3:48 PM
@jythri Apart from the forum trouble-making? Just my terrible taste in music :stuck_out_tongue:

jythri - Today at 3:48 PM
@Eden Oh, I’ll fight you for the terrible taste in music award! I’m a child of the 70s, after all, but tend to prefer celtic-world music.[/details]


(30% more flak) #51

Actually I’m pretty sure Varimorphs aren’t shapeshifters, they just evolve much faster than any other species - the changes aren’t immediate.

Yah, here;
“While little is to be said for varimorph technology, their physiology is quite unique. As a species, the varimorph possess the ability to intentionally (albeit slowly) adapt at a genetic level, including the ability to develop biological analogues of technological constructs they find. Indeed, in our weeks of evacuation, we rarely encountered two varimorph who took similar shape or form.”

Orendi evolved minion blasters into her hands.

From this we can assume that they are born looking similar but they do not stay that way.


(Magnus Whisperer || ISIC's s.o.) #52

Something similar can actually be observed on our very own Earth too, it’s quite fascinating :smiley: So depending on a Varimorph’s environment or needs they can choose what kind of features they want in their bodies from the genetic material available at hand. Or just because they feel like it. Orendi’s “blaster mutation” was self-preservation, she didn’t replicate the mechanical parts of the Minion robot but she could adapt the creation of the energy blast.


(Jabrielthomas) #53

Ah, must have misread. Although, I have to admit that makes them less interesting as a species. Still something interesting, just less so.


(Orendi's Best Buddy) #54

I wish I had time to go over some of my genetics books and notes to really fact check and think about this, but going from what I know offhand…

The whole idea of varimorphs is one of the things in this game that really requires a suspension of disbelief. For multicellular organisms their overall shape is decided in the early developmental phase, usually by the activation of specific sections of the genome that are then turned off and go unused for the rest of the organisms’s life. If you were going to, say, reshape your skeleton, you would at the very least have to break down a large number of those old cells to replace them with new ones, as well as any muscles and organs around it, with a different organization. If this happens slowly, a varimorph would be going a long time without some critical body functions. I would also think that constantly mutating the coding regions of your genome would greatly increase your odds of problems like cancer.

If varimorphs reproduce sexually, which since they seem to have sexes I assume is true, they are likely polyploid organisms and would at the very least have to maintain the same number of chromosomes. And this is ignoring the mechanical difficulties of mating with someone whose body is completely different, which we may explain away by saying that varimorphs decide on taking similar forms in order to mate, then maybe go their separate ways.

Then you add in issues of epigenetics, gene linkage, sexual selection, etc, and I don’t think that such extreme “varimorphism” is something that could survive natural selection.

Anyway, my next biology lecture will be on the subject of why a planet sized fungi colony is not feasible. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:


(lowlines - PS4) #55

It’s sci-fi and set possibly millions of years in the future in another universe (where Earth science might not even apply). This is also the same universe as cursed arrows, talking rock monsters and Eldrid bio-gauntlets that shape themselves to adapt to the user. I think Orendi being able to replicate minion bot lasers on her hands is one of the lesser crazy things that can happen in this universe :sunglasses:


(Orendi's Best Buddy) #56

Eh, I actually buy the Eldrid bio-gauntlet a lot more than I would the possiblility of a varimorph’s existence.

As far as Earth science applies, well, they mention changing the genome, so…

But yeah, I’m not actually trying to bring hard science into this. Keep in mind, Orendi is my favourite character. People were discussing varimorph biology, and the overall point I was trying to make was actually to not let too many little questions and details wreck the story for you.

Like a ship that’s not only bigger than a planet, but built so that it can stop the planet’s rotation. Even the Jennerit must have done a cost/benefit calculation on that one.