Even back in the early days of video games oversights and glitches happened. Some of these ranging from not being able to even start a game because it was programmed to use a peripheral on console that was removed from the newer version of it to things like forgetting to actually put a boss in the boss level of a game. Most of you never heard of any of this because social media didn’t exist back then in the capacity it does now if at all depending on how far back we go.
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Kabflash (still cool),
The split screen inventory lag is, indeed, ROUGH. The PS4 issue with the junk/fav option not working is ROUGH. Garbage? Not for me. I, personally, am finding that my enjoyment of borderlands transcends these AGGRAVATING issues.
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I’ll say it again, my grievance is solely with the development of the User Interface. I very much enjoy the game, and very much understand and actually expect the myriad of smaller issues it has , and fully anticipate they will be fixed.
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Look I’m no programer. I don’t know how to make a game. I’m no expert on any of this stuff a guy named Jason Schreier is an expert on this industry and has a lot of inside contacts within it. That’s why I mentioned his book.
Without knowing everything that went on with the decisions that were made from top to bottom it’s very easy to point the finger at the development team for mistakes that were made and say this or that wasn’t done correctly.
For all we know the same issues that people point the finger at the development team for could have been their biggest concern throughout the entire process. From what I’ve read from Schreier the development teams in AAA gaming usually don’t have the freedom to do what they want to or to do what’s right or what’s best for a game.
The discussion happens about what should be done about something and someone higher up on the food chain makes the final decision and dev teams are told to just make it happen or work around it.
So for all we know the biggest problems with the game from a player perspective could have been the dev teams biggest concern from day 1.
This is why I referred to Schreier’s interview with Anthems dev team who leaked the truth about the development nightmare that happened with that game. ( I highly recommend that people read this or his book Blood, Sweat and Pixels to get an understanding of what this industry is like.)
So again without knowing what happened with every step of the game we shouldn’t just charge the development team with our torches and pitchforks and demand blood.
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I actually had a situation where the business itself turned out to be so shady that I went straight to the bank that signed off on the deal, reported the company, they then canceled the payment for the vehicle and ensured everything was taken out of my name. Would’ve been 10 years of not being able to qualify for anything (including the house I purchased just 2 years later).
I’m going to reiterate what I said in another thread - with most products everyone deserves the chance to at least fix the wrongs. However I’m not against people losing their jobs when they refuse to do it - and I’ve been trying to have patience however I’ve pretty much lost all hope here.
Why? Because GBX released the game the way they did. Not broken for you, that’s great - consoles got shafted with a (maybe) 40 dollar version of the title for full release price… And thanks to the focus on hyping the release rather than any form of honest communication - thanks to what feels like a complete lack of any sort of QA - I’m out a hundred dollars waiting to see if they’ve got anything in the works to make my purchase worthwhile.
I get that they don’t want to make promises they can’t keep, so when they are mum on when inventory lag is going to be addressed I can be lenient. Then garbage like this pops up:
Consideration isn’t enough! How hard is it to say “we get that the community wants a toggle and will incorporate it in future events”? You know why it’s hard to just come out and be honest? Because they’ve been pulling the wool over our eyes since the get go, and it’s a lot harder to go back on your word if you actually show you care what the community thinks. The longer this drags on the shadier things are getting around here and the less hope I have that my investment wasn’t for naught.
I don’t need a memo for every step of progress they make, I need to know that what we’re asking for is actually a goal on their end… That they’re not just waiting until after the first paid dlc and steam release to say “our hands are tied, it can’t be fixed” just so they can get a few more sales. Tell us realistically is there playability to look forward to or not!
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it’s, the bane, of my existance… i can’t, stop… i’m actually, pretty sure that, i don’t even know, how to use them properly, most of the, time.
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Its not when you simply theorize about possible reasons for the games state tho is it? A personal attack includes a target so I would need to address the developers directly but thats hardly the case.
On the other hand I ve been called out on this forum as clueless, a hater or simply being bad for having a diminished view on the project.
I guess I just dont understand why you are trying to reprimand people (aka backseat moderating) when there are forum rules in place who concern this topic exactly. Report and move on. As of now I m not sure if you adress me personally for having a negative view. I also thought about greediness and laziness when it comes to Borderlands 3 release.
I mean Gearbox isnt very forthcoming with the reasons as to why BL3 was in such a sorry state on release so people talk. I think theorizing is quiet alright as long as no hate is generated. Negative press or a negative view, constructive criticism or even simple criticism…is not hate.
But if you are really so concerned with how random people treat and view Gearbox developers I ll try to pay attention to see if you jump to anybodies help on this forum who gets under attack for having a personal view.
IMO…Gearbox employees are getting paid for what they do. They are adults and professionals. Companies these days hang their devs out into the open which comes as benefits but also disadvantages. They are also usually not allowed to justify themselves publicly. Its a tricky situation.
Somebody created or allowed these issues to happen. We are talking about a splintered story that possibly was delivered piecemeal in order to sell as DLC. We are talking about the lack of quality control and half-completed features and mechanics that were obviously rushed out or not worked on in full.
“It just happened” is not a reason and personally I would like to know a reason. Now laziness and greed are two very possible options in this regard and people have next to no problem to slap publishers with those terms but devs are suddenly off-limits?
I m sorry that you feel “offended” or the “need” to speak out for others and defending weaker people is a heroic thing. But thats not what this is…
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I doubt that by now, on these forums there is any one thing that has only ever been said by one person.
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Yeah I completely understand that. I just meant that about that particular topic which is where he originally pulled this stuff from. I was the sole person in that topic who brought up those things(specifically said fire the devs), which sparked a lengthy debate with a few people agreeing with me and several disagreeing. There were less then cordial things said by others so it’s entirely possible that’s all he meant.
well somebody usually is first and there are unique views and arguments. Usually tho if its good arguments or a view shared by others these statements are quickly picked up and repeated. 
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Calm down Karen, just take a deep breath and ask for the manager.
Lolol. I’ll fire you and your whole family and lay a curse upon your name if I get Parmesan Cheese instead of Wheat bread.
I apologize, I have no point here, was just browsing and this ■■■■ got me cracked up.
It’s so funny because it’s actually not satire. It’s a whole new level of superhuman judgement brow beating your every mistake. 
The manager will see you now, Karen
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Many passionate gamers are of the age ‘shoot first, ask questions later’.
Those of us old enough were able to go through such an ‘invincible phase’ without it being so public (pre-internet)
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I echo this sentiment.
There are a few issues (UI being my personal highest priority) - but similarly, haven’t stopped playing since it came out. Bloody Harvest was a nice freebie, Maliwan takedown I’m expecting to be another relatively solid freebie.
We got another patch due in a few weeks, so lets see whats fixed /broke with that.
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Indeed, what did you do when you got angry in your teenage years? Yell down the empty street or run around acting like a maniac because people didnt understand your motivation.
Today everybody tweets when he farts sideways and shares this critical information with thousands of others only for some to use it as an attack point so drama is neverending and it only gets worse over time
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Teenage man yells at cloud.
Now I’m a different generation, I get that, but I also have some sympathy with current gen games players.
I recall a time where you bought a game, complete and 99% of the time it worked as expected.
If there were bugs…guess what…tough…but most launch titles did what they said on the tin. You wanted to complain, it was a heartily written letter, overseas postage and a possible reply…more often than not you just moved onto another game.
Now these days, it seems common practice to ship games that have substantial issues, with a ship now fix later ethos.
Some companies take that approach right to the wire - and some vitriol is deserved.
WWE2K anyone .
So the consumer now has a more direct line to the vendor as the vendor has more of a line to your game.
But a company of any size can’t respond to every complaint and so people take that as a “you’re not listening” point and start to gradually get frustrated.
Most will move on, a smaller proportion will let the world know how hard they are done by, and a smaller few will make it quite personal.
My take - you have a working game which is good, getting free stuff, no Microtransactions (big plus in my book!), it’s got a few broken things.
Let the devs fix it and smash the snot outta whatever raid boss is put in.
as my closing statement, I would ask all to adhere to this mantra of mine, which transcends sex, race, industry, religion etc.
“Just don’t be a d!ck”
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I’m not personaly addressing you or anyone else. If you said this your not the only one on these fourms to say so.
I can probably go through these fourms and find a 100 quotes from people saying the same things I have I’ve said in my original post.
I’m not moderating anyone.
It’s very easy to be rude, nasty and disrespectful, but for some reason it seems like it’s very hard for most people to to show some respect or to say something positive. (I’m not referring to you)
I’ve said this before on multiple posts if anyone is trying to make a valid point or give valid criticism the second you insult someone when doing it invalidates you point even if you’re spot on. Your post will be ignored and no one is going to pass your post along to anyone who actually make changes if your insulting staff or members in it.
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I definitely hate the UI, and certainly would want to know what went wrong, and love to see some feedback from Gearbox devs on this.
I think, from a business perspective, I’d be certainly thinking about a free beta version pre-release to share with this excellent community to double check on things, I’d definitely want to promote the people in the company who noticed the issues raised before release. And I’d introduce more staff training on product testing and community engagement.
Obviousy, there is some real talent at gearbox dev and in the player community, and they need more opportunities to work together to ensure that the juggernaut is going to win the race. Everyone else then gets the oportunity to level up, or not, and are rewarded accordingly.
I think less web anonymity on public spaces would also be a great feature across the web, as it would provide better data, and might mature the internet beyond the slagging cesspool it has become. I’m totally guilty of this myself and wish I’d been more collected about many things online.
I’m glad that online there are so many voluntary people working hard to broaden people’s outlook. The whole world IMO is sick of superficial business and corporate spin, and wants more scientific and community progress.
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Nicely said…
A plus 1 to you Sir.
Edit; If your trying to make a valid concern or criticism about something. The above post should be what your looks like well thought out and not being disrespectful to anyone.
This is the type of post that would be passed up the chain for someone else to read and evaluate…
I guess I got your post down the “wrong” throat. I can stand behind that statement. Sorry for any misunderstanding on my part
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It’s Ok man. I’m sorry too if you thought I was attacking you.
Look I can totally understand people are frustrated and emotions get the best of everyone, especially myself at times.
I think we all need just to take a minute to read our posts when we’re trying to get a legitimate concern or criticism across.
Sometimes people just want to blow off steam that’s Ok too. Just as long as your not insulting anyone else while your doing it. It’s fine.
And it’s very hard sometimes to put into words and not having it come off the wrong way.
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