Zane was but who’s calling Moze useless and unplayable? The common theme is that Iron Bear centric Moze has improved but still isn’t good enough and lacks compared to Infantry Moze and that Moze in general lacks in comparison to other VH’s. This is the argument I see, and I happen to agree with it. The other common points being that MOD is bugged and randomly breaks thus being unreliable (Vampyr her only heal depends on this), and that Moze lacks sustain options (Vampyr really being the only viable choice).
There never was an argument saying she couldn’t that I knew of. It certainly wasn’t why I shared my personal accomplishment of beating Wotan. I wouldn’t call it wrecking face by any stretch either, more like barely managing to do it.
I see a heavily edited video of clips and cooldowns that don’t make sense even after the discussion in this topic. We dropped it here but some of us discussed it further in DM and it still doesn’t match up. Though again I’ve never argued that Moze is completely un-capable and neither has really anyone else that I see. The argument is that she isn’t up to par and it’s in my agreement, 27 minutes to reach Valk’s(played by a highly skilled player) is hardly comparable to any other VH.
That’s the thing and the reason I commented. I see people say stuff like what I explained above then I see people argue against it and say the person said it was useless when it’s not what they said at all. It’s a pretty common theme here and happened to me several times now. Pretty tired of seeing it, can’t talk about how Iron Bear still needs improvements and Moze in general without people jumping in going “It’s not useless let me prove it” when that’s not what was being said in the first place.
I’m quite baffled of who you are talking about and why they are so relevant considering I rarely if ever see people say IB is useless or Moze cant do Takedown on M4(here).
Maybe you are seeing this outside of the Moze section could be plenty plausible since I have been ignoring non-class non-video sections for a while now.