The Flak over Fl4k and what it cost

Who exactly do you know who has been banned for using “him” to refer to FL4K? I mean, yes, we’re asking people not to do that on the forums. But as a point of actual fact, how many people have been banned for not knowing about the pronoun thing?

Hint: If you’re not sure of the answer, it is a number less than 1

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In 30 minutes. I have had two posts flagged as offensive. does that say something about what’s going on? exclusivity, doctored replies, groupthink, collectivism taken too far? I don’t know. This is troubling.

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What’s happening is that for 4? days this place has been dealing with a ton of folks rocking up here after having been fed a load of poor and inaccurate info. They read or watched thing that said gearbox were banning folks for misgendering Flak.

As was mentioned above: this is untrue.

But still folks are coming here, and either outright shitposting ‘LOL FLAK IS A COOL GUY LOL NAZIS BAN ME LOL’ or trying to argue that;

They are being oppressed

Their free speech is being attacked

That non-binary people don’t really exist

That anyone who cares about pronouns is a fool

That gearbox are Marxists

And that gearbox should respect these beliefs but not those of non-binary people.

Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

We’ve tried our best to set people straight. Over and over.

Please: read the forum rules, then at least some of this thread.

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Yes, the vast socialist collective has sent signals of mind control so strong they have forced people to come to this board and post against their will…They certainly had no choice in the matter or no other Borderlands message board to rant against the growing Red Menace of Acronyms and Pronouns…

Or…just maybe, it’s that long time users and moderators who actually use this forum are tired of people making accounts for the sole purpose to inflame an issue that has been discussed to death in the 1500 posts above (with respectful and civil posts from people on both sides of the issue)…
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My question is this.

Please define " Set People Straight?"

this is the one detail I have not seen thus far. a true definition, a “ground rules” for a debate. as is shown. instead. I have seen a moderator simply be a part of the argument, not a moderator of, there are tons of comments and statements, but not questions relating to a serious set of ground rules relating to a political discussion, which this very much is.

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As PH set out in his post: in some cases correct the factual record over false claims being propagated beyond these forums; in other cases, deal with inappropriate posts designed more to inflame or insult others rather than contribute to reasoned debate.

Those are in the COMMUNITY GUIDELINES and FORUM RULES that every user is expected to read when they first sign up.

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thank you for the first section response.

Regarding the second matter: a moderator has stated, in general, that people have come here to cause havoc, these people, in turn have caused pressure and when a person is in a position of authority, they need to take the situation at hand into account, not the current rules and getting angry, which is personalizing an issue, when someone does not “obey.”

take the situation as it comes, set some ground rules. adapt with the environment as people in the"sjw" ( i don’t actually know a name for these very specific people so I call em what i’ve learned, and this is how I am going to refer to them because that is what I have learned and already committed to memory) community are telling the rest of the world. since you have, as a collective, decided that is your political stance. Stand by it, or take a more aloof stance as moderators with the only goal of peacekeeping.

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PsychichazardCheersploding as I type!

2h

Did you read the forum rules?

I guess not. Go read them, and you’ll understand a little better why i did what i did.

this is exactly the kind of personalizing I am referring to. very nonchalant, “not my problem” kind of phrasing. you are in a very delicate position, and the effects of a few words can do a lot of damage to the game, it’s PR, the people working on it, and the people behind it.

I am not seeking to make a mockery of anyone, if I did it would be on a stage, but we are discussing not just a character in this forum, we are discussing the very notion of communication, and that, in and of itself, is more important than the character and it’s personalized identity in a world where the vast majority of people simply do not think that way. Yes the world may be coming to that line of thinking more, but this character… he just got put into the crosshairs of a much, much bigger issue. world wide as a matter of fact.

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Just.

Please.

Read.

The.

Forum.

Rules.

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Which is exactly what we have been doing. Seriously. If we’d been acting out of anger, this thread would have been permanently closed 3 days ago.

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Would it help if I closed the thread for 10 minutes, giving you time to read them, and then reopened it?

Could you all manage to resist the urge to post for that long and read the rules instead?

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Right.

Everyone read them? All clear about the rules? Any queries, comments about moderation will be answered if you pm us, or request a chat if you can’t pm

Sorry Pyschic, but I’m linking this thread in the “Which Character are going to Play First” thread so people stop filling that one up with nonsense. I hate to divert the nonsense here, but as much as I love the openness of the posters in this thread, I can’t stand the drivel that’s being brought up on every other Fl4k thread.

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You have no idea how much slack we having been giving people in this thread. We have been giving lots. Lots of slack.

However, we’re now returning to normal service. We have to assume that further breaches of the rules are deliberate.

If you wish to discuss this, pm is the way to go.

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Good luck.

there’s even a sticky.

I’m gonna write a comment in here addressing all the Top 40 Pop Hits Of Discourse by the end of tonight that, if y’all read and think “yeah, that covers that well enough” we could just keep replying the link to? Not telling anyone what to do, but I think at this point we could use a Forum Loop 4 Kommon-comments comment.

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Apparently Reddit is having this same issue, but they’ve banned all discussion regarding FL4K’s gender. Here, there is a 1,700 post thread discussing the issue ad nauseum, and it’s HERE that people complain about censorship.

One place asks you to use words. The other bans an entire topic of discussion. Tell me which place is censoring again? And for the record, I appreciate the work that the Reddit mods do, and know I would’ve done the same thing in their shoes. Just reading the some trite arguments for the millionth time is tiresome, I can’t imagine how dreadful it must be to moderate this mess.

And again, before anyone says anything, there have been DOZENS of posts at this point arguing what you are about to post more thoughtfully, eloquently, and with more care and research behind it than the angry tweet you’re about to leave for the devs. It’s been said by now. If you can’t at least add something new to this discussion, then at least just like the other posts that have said what you want to say so we don’t need to read the same thing for the millionth time.

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Yeah, I’ve summarised most of the standpoints that I’ve seen over and over. Was going to write a comprehensive reply that covered those points but I had stuff to do irl.

I mean, I’d prefer individuals to respond to individuals rather than with cut and paste or link but I certainly l understand anyone that no longer has the patience left to do that.

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