Either way no one cares because it’s a funny throwaway joke that’s typical of “dudes”. In one ear, chuckle, out the other, kill orcs.
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The Janey Springs thing has always confused me because my social circle is mostly LGBT folks who are into gaming and Janey is like… very very well-liked by pretty much everybody I know… so stepping outside that circle and seeing so many people dislike Janey is like… wait what? Suddenly I am in opposite land.
Best thing about all these hell threads is I met you here, friend. 
So psyched to play BL3 with you!!! This is gonna be so fun.
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Again : no one dislikes her because she’s lesbian ; it’s because it’s all consuming. Or at least it seems that way. It’s almost like she’s written to be a lesbian first and a person second.
Me? I hate every NPC in the game. It’s a VA disaster 
But this is getting slightly off topic.
I think.
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Is Uranus Them/They?
Just putting some Uranus Joke to break the ice since I do not have intelligent views on this kind of things. lol
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Communication itself is often a trying task even before you start trying to tiptoe around every conceivable arbitrary sensitivity. A thimble might seem like a kindness, but when the person it’s given to inevitably finds themself without it a callous would’ve served them better.
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Uranus is definitely a They/Them.
Just look at its loot pool.
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As an outsider to this whole debate, it has been a super interesting topic to read through.
Thanks for the great responses, especially a big thumbs up to @Giuvito for being so level headed.
Out of curiosity would it be against the forum rules to refer Zane as a “she” ?
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I’m a pretty generic looking straight white guy and I really like Janey. I can see how people might find her somewhat annoying in Pre-Sequel but she’s written way better in Tales. And even in Pre-Sequel I think the first few levels where she’s your guide make her out to be pretty charming.
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If both sides agree that it’s such a small thing, then the obvious solution is for each side to stop worrying about what the other side is doing and just do their own thing. Alas, that’s not what’s going on.
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Firstly, welcome.
It’s hard to tell if you’re taking the piss, being naive or somewhere in between.
No it’s not against forum rules.
You might want to bring up Zer0 perhaps? No need - went down that road.
But we do have a member whose tag line is :
And no one questions it. Which perhaps is a shame because there’s clearly a reason for making it so 
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Isn’t the whole debate about purposely misgendering fl4k?
So purposely misgendering any other character should obviously be against the forum rules as well, correct?
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lol. Flak over Zer0 doesn’t rhyme though.
You’re adorable. Your penetrating logic has collapsed this entire thread. Pack up everyone.
Guess it’s time for me to mute this thread again. Too bad. It was intelligent for a time.
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The problem here is the assumption that there isn’t a callous.
Again like… I’m from a social circle of mostly LGBT people, and everybody I know has been through some pretty extreme crap. Getting kicked out of your family for being different, having it be illegal to get married for most of your life, slurs yelled at you while you’re minding your own business walking down the street, things like that. I sat in a police office with one of my best friends once after she was assaulted by a stranger for being visibly trans. Things out there aren’t good. It’s not like “la la la, I’m living in a bubble with delicate sensibilities, oh no, I tremble at the sight of the words ‘he/him’ in reference to a fictional robot, bring me the swooning couch” it’s more like ow, this callus is large and kinda painful, might be nice to have a thimble sometimes.
Also “let’s not be nice because it’s better to toughen people up so they can deal with things that aren’t nice” is kind of a weird argument and sounds like a way to just have there be jerks everywhere. Don’t think I can agree with that one.
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According to Tina the proper way to address Uranus is to call it a butt.
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Respect is earned. Being civil I think is what you mean?
I firmly believe there are only two genders, female and male. There are people who are confused, that is an issue, not a normal thing. If someone does not feel like a male or female, then I would think they are asexual, not a new made up gender. You can identify as an attack helicopter if you want, just don’t demand that I participate in your fantasy world.
If I call someone he or she that does not wish to be called that, I have not taken anything from them, they still have every right and privilege they had before. If me calling someone he or she causes them issues, then they are the one who needs help with that. I get called a lot worse and I just shrug it off. And no, I am not talking about being confrontational. If I call someone he or she and they get angy, I just make a point to avoid that person If they ask me to use some made up thing, I ask “what’s your name” and use that, even though it feels odd too, like “I was talking to Jake, and I found that Jake likes Metal music too”, not “I was talking to Jake, and I found that Zer likes Metal music too”.
It’s on the people who wish to identify as what ever to do the same thing I do. Understand that there are people who will not agree with me and will not do as I wish, and just get over myself and live my life as I see fit.
What you propose is that because someone has a problem, not normal male or female, that I should not just empathize with them, but to take part in a fantasy. People can still identify with that bot, they don’t need me to do the same.
When I first heard that bot was non binary I thought it funny, an AI is all about binary, computers only know 1 and 0, binary. Now, it’s not so funny. It now feels like disingenuous virtue signalling.
I honestly don’t know why I bothered, you likely think I am a monster and nothing I say will change any of this. I will not be calling a singular entity a plural identifier, they/them refers to two or more, language matters. How many wars have been fought because of language issues and misunderstandings?
I will think on this, but if I bother coming back here, I will just not talk about the bot and I may not buy the game as games are for entertainment, not pushing an agenda. I was thrilled with the enhanced Borderlands and the new DLC for Borderlands 2, my all time favorite.
I hope you all have a great day and a happy long life, I have no ill feelings for anyone here. I will however dump this on you with no proof reading and leave all the poor spelling a grammar in place.
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Slippery slope!
Butt Stallion, is female. 
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Oh, let’s not get virtue signally about the grammar. As Sam says, the singular they is not new (or even controversial in most cases). In fact, it’s been in use for rather a long time. The OED gives its first discovered use as 1375.
https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/#
To sum up, this battle has been very much lost for over 200 years.
Former Chief Editor of the OED Robert Burchfield, in The New Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1996), dismisses objections to singular they as unsupported by the historical record. Burchfield observes that the construction is ‘passing unnoticed’ by speakers of standard English as well as by copy editors, and he concludes that this trend is ‘irreversible’. People who want to be inclusive, or respectful of other people’s preferences, use singular they. And people who don’t want to be inclusive, or who don’t respect other people’s pronoun choices, use singular they as well . Even people who object to singular they as a grammatical error use it themselves when they’re not looking, a sure sign that anyone who objects to singular they is, if not a fool or an idiot, at least hopelessly out of date.
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If a mere pronoun draws metaphorical blood, then it’s not an assumption that there’s no callous. Rather, it’s clearly evidenced.
And there’s a whole spectrum in between everyone being jerks and no one saying anything for fear of offending anyone. I’m all for a reasonable amount of tact. I’ve softened my speech a few times in this very thread. I simply find this pronoun thing unreasonable.
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