#9

Yep, both the healing and elemental resistance will only work as long as the shield has any charge left.

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#10

1 point of Sus isn’t much at all. Neo/Evo + 5/5 is Sus is solid

#11

I know 1 point in Sustenance doesn’t do much. However, I was expecting to see a large increase in the health regen when I equipped the Neogenator. That didn’t seem to happen. (1 point was all I could put in Sustenance at the time since I had Ruin + Converge… leaving 16 points for Harmony at level 58)

It’s probably because I rarely find myself with a partial shield. It’s either 100% charged or completely depleted.

#12

Maybe test with a level 3-5 version to keep numbers low?

If it’s a flat rate it’s probably linked to the 1.13^lvl base formula. It should be easy to extrapolate at higher level and at least have an expected value to check.

If it’s percentage based, a low level version on a high level character would show that immediately.

#13

You won’t notice much difference with or without the shield’s hp regen, certainly not while in combat. A neogenator/evolution/rough rider can be good however when combined with maya’s healing skills since they’re based on your total health.

#14

So in other words… the direct health regen from the shield is utter crap and it’s so good on Maya purely because of the +Max Health boosting the # healing of the %-based skills (SR / Elated / Sus) (and the elemental resistance of course).

That makes sense, but I guess I always thought people liked the direct shield healing because it actually did something, lol.

#15

Anyone feel free to test it, but like I said above I don’t really have interest in doing it. From just using them its between 1-2% from what I can guess and thats good enough for me.

#16

No, its just balanced. Really if it was a lot higher where people seem to want it, it would be totally broken.

#17

I see. 1-2% does sound balanced. 2% is what you get from Preparation, Able, ~Sustenance (0-4%… avg 2%), Ain’t Got Time to Bleed, Sexual Tyrannosaurus, etc. which are all relatively passive regen skills.

I’m thinking I’d notice a lot more healing from the shield had I put even 1 point into Inertia so there’d almost always be 1+ capacity to trigger the regen & elemental resistance.

#18

Elated is great and its 5% during phaselock, 5% as long as your shield is up would be broken. Even more since you can stack it with skills and relics.

#19

Agreed. I was trying to keep the comparison to passive skills for obvious reasons. Conditional & burst healing should always be stronger.

#20

I don’t think they’re that balanced considering rank of legendary/seraph. a maximum of 5% healing on low charges could work with the increased health values.

#21

I did some quick testing. I used my L.72 Zer0, equipped with an OP3 Hoplite to drop my health to 1, as my testing dummy. I equipped both a L.25 Neogenator and a L.72 Neoganator and timed how long it took the shields to heal up from 0 to 100%. Here’s what I found:

  • L.25 Neogenator - approx. 33 mins 21 secs
  • L.72 Neogenator - approx. 33 mins 21 secs

The long regeneration time is due to the shields being at 100% capacity once they each had been equipped. This makes me think that the health regen rate is a function of the the current shield’s capacity based on percentage, regardless of max health. That means a higher maximum health won’t get you past the health gate any sooner, but the numerical value of health regen (X health units/time, not % of health/time) does increase.

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#22

Nice! You saved me from testing these things myself.

#23

Wow, fantastic job! I hope you just let it run in the background while you did other things instead of sitting watching a health bar go up over 1 hour :stuck_out_tongue:

100% / 2001 seconds = 0.05% / sec

Do you have a Evolution to test with too? I wonder if it would be 33 min 21 sec as well.

#24

Yeah, I was just watching Initial D episodes and playing LoL while I let the shields heal up. Though, during the first time I was testing the L.72 shield, I missed the end time, so I had to restart the testing again.

I’ll test out the Evolution in the same experiment, though I’ll need time to find/obtain the shields and actually test them out. Expect something later tonight or tomorrow.

#25

Alright, I was able to procure two Evolution shields, one at L.30 and the other at OP4. It’s the same deal as before, so let’s hit it:

  • L.30 Evolution - approx. 20 mins 51 secs
  • OP4 Evolution - approx. 20 mins 51 secs

@bdaughe1986, I also did a little more math and calculated the the regen rate as well.

  • 100% / 1251 seconds = 0.08% / sec

So it looks like the Evolution shield has a slightly greater health regen than the Neogenator shield, among the their shared but differing traits.

Again, these numbers are during full shield capacity. I could test further by throwing grenades at myself to knock the shield a bit and see how much time it can take off the max regen time of these shields, but I think I’m bored with it already.

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#26

Okay, I got really bored and decided to throw grenades at myself…

I used my OP4 Evolution shield to test this out. I unequipped any grenade mods for this experiment (I died more than just a few times before figuring out how to do this). So the test is the same as above, but I would throw unmodded grenades at myself. Each explosion would damage the shield, but I made sure not to throw too many at one time to completely break it. I did this while near an ammo vendor, so I can buy more grenades as I ran out.

Now according to the shield’s item card, any shield damage would raise the regen rate, and thus lower the time needed to heal up from 1 to 100% max health. So after throwing about $20 mil worth of grenades at myself, I anticipated that the heal time would be less.

Instead, I reached full health at about 20 mins 51 secs, the same amount of time to let the shield heal me without damage. Damaging the shield did nothing to increase the paltry .08% healing rate of the Evolution. I haven’t tested the Neogenator, but I would guess that it could be the same case as well.

So in the end, the Evolution is only worth taking for its health increase and its elemental resistances. However, health increase could actually hinder attempts to health-gate without a Rubi or Grog Nozzle, and the elemental resistances are conditional and only apply to a single type at any given time (then you might as well just get an Antagonist shield for its damage reduction, in addition to its other benefits).

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#27

It’s really impressive that you’ve spent so long testing these shields. Thanks for that!

So… The Evolution has been bugged all this time… I really thought that the health regen was at least semi-decent when the shield was damaged, but turns out it has been placebo all along.

#28

One possible thing that remains to test is “Is the health regen constant or does it scale with how badly you are hurt?”

One way to test this: The flashing “!” sign appears at 33% health, if the time it takes to get back to that point exactly 1/3 of the time it took to fully heal, then it’s constant, but if it takes less time, then it means the health regen scales. This could explain the bad regen value as the last portion would slow to a crawl and mess up the average.