#4

I’ve never really used either shield, but I wanted to mention that it’s Neogenator, not “Reogenator”. I don’t know if you can change the thread subject to fix it.

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#5

Thanks for spotting this! Edited the title.

These shields drop rather late in the game (Neo at level 26, I think) and the health values are indeed rather high then. I guess the best way to test these is with a very low level shield early in the game. I’ll try and do some amateur testing done somehow. The health regen question has been keeping me up at night ever since I started using these shields six months ago.

#6

I believe the healing strength is based on the shield’s level and as far as I remember it’s as quick as health regen from coms i.e., for a char with 3 million health it means the health bar getting 1 pixel wider every 10 seconds.

#7

I remember getting a level 58 Neogenator from the Loot the World app (R.I.P.) and tried it out when my Maya hit level 58.

At that level, I had just put 1 point in Sustenance, so I already had some passive healing. I braced myself for the awesome power of the two health regens together… only to be sadly disappointed. Even together, it didn’t make a difference in combat. I think I got more healing from the health boost + Elated than I did from the passive health regen.

Since I’ve never tested it without 1+ points in Sustenance… does the health regen work at all when the shield is completely depleted?

#8

I think the regen only works when the shield is active. When it’s depleted, the health regen doesn’t happen. I think it’s the same with the elemental damage resistance as well.

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#9

Yep, both the healing and elemental resistance will only work as long as the shield has any charge left.

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#10

1 point of Sus isn’t much at all. Neo/Evo + 5/5 is Sus is solid

#11

I know 1 point in Sustenance doesn’t do much. However, I was expecting to see a large increase in the health regen when I equipped the Neogenator. That didn’t seem to happen. (1 point was all I could put in Sustenance at the time since I had Ruin + Converge… leaving 16 points for Harmony at level 58)

It’s probably because I rarely find myself with a partial shield. It’s either 100% charged or completely depleted.

#12

Maybe test with a level 3-5 version to keep numbers low?

If it’s a flat rate it’s probably linked to the 1.13^lvl base formula. It should be easy to extrapolate at higher level and at least have an expected value to check.

If it’s percentage based, a low level version on a high level character would show that immediately.

#13

You won’t notice much difference with or without the shield’s hp regen, certainly not while in combat. A neogenator/evolution/rough rider can be good however when combined with maya’s healing skills since they’re based on your total health.

#14

So in other words… the direct health regen from the shield is utter crap and it’s so good on Maya purely because of the +Max Health boosting the # healing of the %-based skills (SR / Elated / Sus) (and the elemental resistance of course).

That makes sense, but I guess I always thought people liked the direct shield healing because it actually did something, lol.

#15

Anyone feel free to test it, but like I said above I don’t really have interest in doing it. From just using them its between 1-2% from what I can guess and thats good enough for me.

#16

No, its just balanced. Really if it was a lot higher where people seem to want it, it would be totally broken.

#17

I see. 1-2% does sound balanced. 2% is what you get from Preparation, Able, ~Sustenance (0-4%… avg 2%), Ain’t Got Time to Bleed, Sexual Tyrannosaurus, etc. which are all relatively passive regen skills.

I’m thinking I’d notice a lot more healing from the shield had I put even 1 point into Inertia so there’d almost always be 1+ capacity to trigger the regen & elemental resistance.

#18

Elated is great and its 5% during phaselock, 5% as long as your shield is up would be broken. Even more since you can stack it with skills and relics.

#19

Agreed. I was trying to keep the comparison to passive skills for obvious reasons. Conditional & burst healing should always be stronger.

#20

I don’t think they’re that balanced considering rank of legendary/seraph. a maximum of 5% healing on low charges could work with the increased health values.

#21

I did some quick testing. I used my L.72 Zer0, equipped with an OP3 Hoplite to drop my health to 1, as my testing dummy. I equipped both a L.25 Neogenator and a L.72 Neoganator and timed how long it took the shields to heal up from 0 to 100%. Here’s what I found:

  • L.25 Neogenator - approx. 33 mins 21 secs
  • L.72 Neogenator - approx. 33 mins 21 secs

The long regeneration time is due to the shields being at 100% capacity once they each had been equipped. This makes me think that the health regen rate is a function of the the current shield’s capacity based on percentage, regardless of max health. That means a higher maximum health won’t get you past the health gate any sooner, but the numerical value of health regen (X health units/time, not % of health/time) does increase.

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#22

Nice! You saved me from testing these things myself.

#23

Wow, fantastic job! I hope you just let it run in the background while you did other things instead of sitting watching a health bar go up over 1 hour :stuck_out_tongue:

100% / 2001 seconds = 0.05% / sec

Do you have a Evolution to test with too? I wonder if it would be 33 min 21 sec as well.