#36

i you don’t like standing still and hit one button to cast granades, then don’t - simple as that. noone is forcing you to play her like that. it’s so absurd to see people want to enforce nerfs because they don’t enjoy ONE of multiple different ways that build can be played. there are people who do enjoy the mindless carnage that pumping out granades provide. but this is clearly to hard to understand for some people.

You can view it as a build meant for Gaige players, people who aren’t good at aiming but still enjoy the game there are those types of people too you know, maybe a few but they do actually exist.

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#37

sounds interesting !

i’ve been leaning more to the high risk - high reward style myself !

Re-charger + rain firestorm granade + elemental relic
re-charger for moze is basically the bee shield! 120% amp damage on each shot, but it drains 50% shield. i’m very squishy (by choice mostly) but can do some serious damage. i’m mostly using queen’s call as it fits well with the whole reward precision theme i aim for.

#38

I will try this, got a re-charger I can toss on. I bet with one of those relics that make you immune to damage when your health drops under 50% it might be pretty good!

This is why they shouldn’t nerf it - it’s still too early to tell what’s good!

#39

the way i see it, things are meant to be good. after all, this is a single player game with co-op multiplayer as optional, not the other way around. i don’t understand why people want everything nerfed as if the had no choice and were forced to play a certain way.

weapons and characters are meant be and feel powerful, it’s what the game is made for. we’re called badasses by lillith for a reason hehe.

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#40

Gun Moze is a much better way to play than immortal grenade moze. People will figure this out with time, they will leave cuz bored or just respec cuz bored. Immortal Moze is not fun to play over time.

#41

See also this thread specifically relating to grenade builds:

Also, both a patch and hotfix out today - please read the notes carefully!

#42

So, Moze grenade build nerfed a bit… and IB still getting nothing. Lol.

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#43

Moze gotta loot an ammo crate every 20 seconds, damn! :woozy_face:

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#44

Unbearable! Completely ruined /s

#45

As long as they fix bear before more nerfs, moze is still more than good enough at the moment, her other trees will get the same treatment as fl4k though considering you can kill grave in around 10s under most mods, without using a ele projector.

Edit: make that 3 seconds.

#46

Everyone can kill grave in around 10seconds, including zane, excluding ele proj.

#47

Wasn’t that the justification for the fl4k nerfs though?

To add to this I’m dropping grave in a single lyuda mag, which seems to be the topic of fl4k’s most recent nerf, I doubt this is the end of the “balancing” as far as moze is concerned.

#48

It doesnt need that much. I had a m3 modifier that increased action skill damage my 50% and it felt almost ok to use it. A 75% damage increase would be more than enough. I have no points in fuel or armor and it felt ok, maybe a 25 to 50% armor buff.

Ideally we hop in, do damage for 5 to 10 seconds ds and get knocked out triggering annointed effects. Would be alot better than hopping in and ejecting for 3 seconds.

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#49

bungie has being nerfing certain subclasses for many years now
by reducing the rate of some subclass abilities by half so players
that migrated from destiny to borderlands are no strangers to
get used to seeing favourited subclasses nerfed it is like calling
for sal to get nerfed in borderlands 2 so i get why publishers
do this is for the reason of fair ballance even it have pvp or not
and this is comming from an former destiny player to borderlands.

#50

yeah definitely, bungie sleeps with the nerf hammer under the pillow.

i used to play D1 a lot, more than i want to admitt so i’m not stranger to nerfs. i just wish that people could see that each game is different and meant for different things.

#51

Far as I know for the grenade build, the changes to MoD just mean you can’t spam mindlessly anymore which is all fair, but how does it affect the mag refill ability?

#52

not sure yet, i don’t think the hotfix is live yet because i just got 4 granades back from 1 queen’s call crit.

#53

The fix is live

#54

i see, great. then i this change really did not change much for me. a relief.

#55

Nerf for moze and do nothing about this superb bad ***** Action skill.

Now there is one vault hunter “whitout” Action skill. nice!

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