I don’t have great gear, in fact it’s been a struggle to keep up at times.
On the other hand I’ve not seen or heard about the hex grenade, only pipe bomb, and I’ve not bothered to go for that.
Pipe bomb is patched. It works as it was originally supposed to.
We need to stop with nerfs. Buff up, dont nerf down.
If you dont like infinite nades, then dont spec into it. You think GOTM and fade away are broken. Then dont spec into it.
Again the vocal minority in any game usually get the nerfs. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. They whine, complain and moan until they get what they want. It’s a generational thing.
Streamers just add to it because of their exposure.
The nerfs take away what this game is about. Looting and maxing out builds. Thats the point of borderlands.
Getting a vault hunter to melt bosses used to be a badge of honor in previous BL games. Farming and grinding to get the perfect load out was the goal.
Now it’s almost taboo. Just a shame honestly.
This game gives out 1000% more legendaries than prior games, even after the nerf.
Dont believe me, ask any veteran vault hunter.
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If anything I expect a major Iron Bear buff. Like 4000% more shield on mayhem 3
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Just make the Hex (and other tesla-like grenades) not apply as splash damage on the tether hits, and you basically fix what’s broken.
Can still sustain with Vampyr and whatnot, but now you have to actually be firing a splash damage gun to regenerate the grenades.
Pretty sure they will add some sort of cooldown on Means of Destruction and Vampyr effect proc.
And yes the nerf is inevitable, no point being in denial here - Demolition/Shield Hex+Bloodletter is literally unkillable build that destroys just about everything there is ingame Mayhem. You can also user Loaded Dice fulltime and you will still be effectively immortal.
There is like only one case where this build is not completely obscene - a couple of big chapter bosses that tend to stay back far away, but even then you will just obliterate them with some side guns for the occasion thanks to shield tree bonuses. 99% of the rest of the game - lul.
Overall Moze is really great - even if this combo gets nerfed, she has at least 2 more kickass legit builds and another ridiculously OP one based around a specific combination oversight/loophole/exploit. People would just switch to another one and I bet Grenade build would still be a thing, because all in all it is meant to be a thing and without Hex/Storm it’s still pretty strong.
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Thats actually a really good idea, cooldown for vampyr…, or they can just make it that only the main grenade hit affects it, because each grenade hits multiple times with all the mirv and all that jazz effects, thats what makes the build absurd, if its just the first explosion then you have to hit 5 guys to even get full shields once, that would make the build’s sustain a bit more tricky and you wont be able to just stand in place hitting 1 button aiming at absolutely nothing.
In my eyes the skill tree needs a complete rework, or at least some of the perks, we need things like continuous fire damage buffs, i dont know, she was a vladof soldier, we need more gun acction, repeaters, machineguns, stuff like that, right now its all about shotguns and grenades.
I can concur and testify that you’re 100% correct…10 years with all 3 games, on multiple platforms, and thousands of hours put in 
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are u crazy? PS4 Pro laggs out all the time with even just 1 Moze running this. How can this not be addressed?
“I feel like that guy working in the store across the street makes too much money. I’m going to go complain about that to his boss.”
You aren’t giving yourself anything.
Stop stripping us of our fun, especially those of us that found this build before the idiot masses caught on.
I dumped over 80 hours into this game perfecting this build before it became popular. If it gets nerfed because of people doing what you’re doing I don’t see how I’ll be able to play the game knowing my 3+ days were completely wasted.
So, thanks, bud.
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The fact we are less than a month in and everything is NERF this and NERF that really sets a pretty boring precedent if you ask me 
Broken things being fixed is fine, but making everything less fun and altering builds/perks they thought of and designed for however many years just seems like a waste. Dunno, just my two cents.
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If they nerf Vampyr they better provide some other way for Moze to regen health because that is literally the only skill in any tree for her that does so.
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If they nerf moze (i’m having a blast with her with no grenade spam, just pure ole dakka) at least had the decency to buff iron bear to be useful in MH3.
Listen to the people who plays for fun and loot GB, no those pesky youtubers.
Asking for moze nerfs every day will do so.
Moze doesn’t need a nerf. We’ve had grenade spam before - she’s just really good at it.
Krieg and Axton got away with it, let Moze have this.
I’ve started toying around with a rough rider + vampyr + mind sweeper and it is hilarious. I’ve tossed on rocket boots so slides kick out homing missiles too, I even get regular use out of IB now…Let me have this one.
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i you don’t like standing still and hit one button to cast granades, then don’t - simple as that. noone is forcing you to play her like that. it’s so absurd to see people want to enforce nerfs because they don’t enjoy ONE of multiple different ways that build can be played. there are people who do enjoy the mindless carnage that pumping out granades provide. but this is clearly to hard to understand for some people.
You can view it as a build meant for Gaige players, people who aren’t good at aiming but still enjoy the game there are those types of people too you know, maybe a few but they do actually exist.
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sounds interesting !
i’ve been leaning more to the high risk - high reward style myself !
Re-charger + rain firestorm granade + elemental relic
re-charger for moze is basically the bee shield! 120% amp damage on each shot, but it drains 50% shield. i’m very squishy (by choice mostly) but can do some serious damage. i’m mostly using queen’s call as it fits well with the whole reward precision theme i aim for.
I will try this, got a re-charger I can toss on. I bet with one of those relics that make you immune to damage when your health drops under 50% it might be pretty good!
This is why they shouldn’t nerf it - it’s still too early to tell what’s good!
the way i see it, things are meant to be good. after all, this is a single player game with co-op multiplayer as optional, not the other way around. i don’t understand why people want everything nerfed as if the had no choice and were forced to play a certain way.
weapons and characters are meant be and feel powerful, it’s what the game is made for. we’re called badasses by lillith for a reason hehe.
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Gun Moze is a much better way to play than immortal grenade moze. People will figure this out with time, they will leave cuz bored or just respec cuz bored. Immortal Moze is not fun to play over time.
See also this thread specifically relating to grenade builds:
Also, both a patch and hotfix out today - please read the notes carefully!