You all know I love a good argument. We got a lot of mileage out of this one :
This time I’m not starting an argument, just perpetuating one. The genesis of this started with @Kuolemanlaakso wondering what to get his Gaige who was just about to clock over to UVHM :
To which I replied : Get a Tidal Wave!
Now why did I recommend that gun? My inspiration was ( and isn’t it always ) from @bew_'s recent Gaige / Tidal Wave showcase :
My justification was that Gaige loves a two-barrel Jakobs shotgun : lots of pellets for managable ammo & she gains at least one stack ( and Shock & A!! ) with every shot. Gaige is not normally a natural fit for the Lady Fist, which leaves the quest reward somewhat optional for her. The Tidal Wave’s goofy pattern is made mostly irrelevant with Close Enough and Anarchy.
Therefore, this makes the gun an excellent choice to start off UVHM, instead of trying to find a Striker ( which is also not a natural fit for her ) or a Coach Gun.
I was so inspired by myself that I picked one up and spent a couple nights with it ( with Maya and Zer0 ), and was thoroughly pleased with it. @Kuolemanlaakso accused me of being a troll and @HeavenlyAnarchy and @Kurtdawg13 joined the dogpile.
The gloves came off and a challenge was issued.
Now the theory.
This gun can only be exploited by one skill : B0re. The slow & bouncing pellets and wavy pattern are the stuff of B0re dreams. So Zer0 is the only one that makes this gun into something more than a Coach Gun.
Maya’s Chain Reaction helps it, but doesn’t make it necessarily better than a Coach.
The same principle applies to Gaige. Even though it has bouncing bullets, they still hit for 50% with Close Enough unlike the Fibber.
The other three only lose DPS potential with this gun.
But does that mean it sucks?
Time to decide!
Anyone who wishes to tender an opinion shall have to do the same (I’m glaring at you Kurt)! Video proof required! Anyone who simply states “it sucks” shall be perma-banned ( I have nothing to back that up ).
I feel like i’ve been misrepresented I did say it’s an interesting weapon and certainly not bad, just not worth using over pretty much any other shotgun from the same manufacturer. But suuuuuuuuuuuure, you use artistic licence with the truth if it suits your narrative!
I should probably point out at this stage that i’m a bit of a troll myself. I know, you’re shocked and surprised by that! I only got rid of it because I found I wasn’t using it, I was using my Flakker more.
I note one of your examples at the top was a similar thread on the Florentine. I dare not read that thread, i’m something of a Maliwan fanboy so you can work out from that what my opinion on the Florentine is… I mean look at how beautiful it is…
Well if you did have the stones to read the whole thing, you’d find out that at sub-OP levels , I like the gun ; at OP levels…hate. It’s more of a like/hate thing than a love/hate.
Also that thread was a lot more divisive than this one could ever hope to be.
Challenge accepted. The problem I have with my love of Maliwan is, nobody will give you any credit for doing a Maliwan allegiance playthrough, and that to me is an indication of the incredible power their weapons have, if you choose the right ones
Yes. YES. Never fear, there were bandits with taste in that thread defending the Florentine’s honour.
I’m watching this one with baited breath as I’m really not sure where it will go. I’m actually (pleasantly) surprised to see any pro-Tidal Wave voices here; my assumption when I saw the title was it would be scorn all the way down.
When the Mods took off with the UCP I was hankering to improve the Tidal Wave after Shadowevil removed it. The filtier tool negated my need to do that, as they made it optional and buffed it. But all that said my take on the Tidal Wave was this:
It ought to work with the Bee with the unlisted projectiles, so that should be a perk.
The reflecting bullets make it ideal for indoor combat.
The wide horizontal spread is counter productive
The slow projectile speed makes it ideal for stationary targets, or slow moving ones.
All that said, I realized that when I went back to BL1 the T. K.'s wave wasn’t much to write home about either. It being a Dahl Shotgun it at least had a nice fire rate, but the per pellet damage was minimal, and the spread wasted those shots.
I wished it was useful as say, the Typhoon, but alas the legacy of the Wave is that it’s the punchline of the joke:
What kind of gun would a blind man build?
It’s literally a gun that sends bullets all over the place .
That being the case only Close Enough & Bore seem like skills that could make good use of that, but the decay of the projectiles seems premature and negates the usefulness of those skills.
It was I, who called you a Troll. That credit should not be laid upon @Kuolemanlaakso
And again, I’ll point out that you used Zero, who can make the best use out of that crappy Shotty. And you picked the easiest Boss in the game to punk. Bnkr has the largest hit box to my knowledge, if not the largest, one of the largest. I mean, Gaige can Bore Bunker in a single shot with a Twister. Come’on man! lol
Take your strategy to a tougher boss. And don’t go trolling me with a Tinder Snowflake kill.