I would go
I always run reload speed no matter what. Sometimes Iâll run some shield pen with a Jennerit Epic crit item or sometimes Iâll run regen and attack damage. I donât think he needs attack speed anymore because of his buff. You can alrdy fire is gun fast enough.
If you SHOOT a shard, rather than run over it, it counts as a kill and kicks up your damage CONSIDERABLY.
How certain are you of this? I noticed today that it is not activating his health regen from the level 5 mutation.
Worked for me last night
It only works on big shards as far as I know
So if you dont play him like OM what do you do? Im still lost on what exactly is this guys role. Whats his role for a team.
I use him as a backfield striker. With his rifle, he can respectably poke from range. With a lot of recoil reduction, he can crit from those ranges, and put on some serious hurt. I close in, only when I want the kill. If I see someone asleep or out of position, I get close, pop my grenades that slow and burn, and burst the down. If itâs someone hard to kill, Iâll pop Scrap Cannon first, for a little extra damage on my shots. I save his ult, for when someone is either trying to kill me or another teammate. rig it at 10th level to go right through shields, and no one will suspect theyâre dyingâŚwell, till theyâre dead. 
The difference between him and OM, is that OM canât trade. He canât sit there and slug it out with someone to push them onto the backfoot. If he gets the jump on them, OM can secure the kill usually. But if he GETS jumped, he has to stealth out or hope for a trick play or external reversal. Whiskey CAN stay in, and force the reversals himself. Tag someone with scrap cannon, bump your assault rifle damage up and theyâll generally beat feet long before you do. And thatâs when you hit them with the nades in the nads, and drop em.
whats your gear? I have 30% recoil reduction, 30% reload speed and 14% cc reduction
What Whiskey excels at is applying pressure and kill participation. He has more accuracy than mike so he plays more like a cross between mike and marquis. He also differs from mike in that he has an early slow, and has way more single target burst (even more so with his recent buffs). Mike can burst, but it requires the enemy to either not be intelligent to walk out of his Aoeâs or they are locked in place. Whiskey at level 5 also gets the ability to bounce back from being harassed out of lane whereas mike might have to teleport back to base or find a healer.
He is a good counter to tanks and can reverse pressure on snipers. He is definitely weaker to flanking than mike is, but is more capable of bursting down high priority targets as his dps is split between his skills where as Mike only has his grenade before 5. That is how I would consider his play diferent from mike.
The only thing I would disagree on is that Mike can hip fire just like Cal or Melka. Heâs not as good, but this gives him more mobility while fighting than WH imo. I wonât say heâs better at closing range skirmishes because I suck with whiskey in pvp, but heâs definitely able to stay more mobile and do damage.
I think whiskey can hip fire just as well as Om, so there is that.
Left for the 2nd choice? I rather go with right because it becomes better once youâre able to get the helix choice that increases scrap cannons distance and tightens its spread thus making it devastating. I remember getting a bunch of people who tried to run away and needed that burst of dmg. Having 3 charges makes a huge difference. Yeah most people should go with the acog scope as whiskey isnât that great up close, also it provides a major boost in accuracy. I always go for the quick reload because the 4 shot burst always leaves an uneven number of bullets left in the clip and if ur able to reload quickly for a whole new clip then itâll provide more bullets for more dmg. I started going for the 15% more grenade dmg because the CD time isnât that long.
Alright, since itâs been asked in several places by others, hereâs my build. Iâll explain further:
1st: Weighted Down - Self Explanatory slow. It starts off kind of weak as an arcing skillshot, but later on, they become quite dangerous once your mirving your grenades. Shield Scrapper might be a decent alternative option, but itâs only good against someone like Kleese who relies on a really strong shield. Flak Off is useless. If you have to push your enemy back, AWAY from your crosshairs, youâre doing a lot more wrong than just picking that mutation.
2nd: Swiss Cheese - This is actually fairly useful. Against in-close or melee enemies, pop this early, and burst down their shields, to force them into retreat. At range, save it for when you get a snare, stun or knockup. When they get down to about 1/3rd health. tag em, and hammer it home. Donât shoot for all the pellets to hit. Any one will trigger the damage amp. Couple this with Combat Rhythm, and your assault rifle will be doing an extra 40% damage per bullet.
3rd: Scoped Up - Iâve heard the arguments for an Attack Speed build, coupled with the Red DotâŚand what you give up in reach, isnât given back in speed. You become a closer Ghalt, with no stun, no yankback, and only a single slow. Take the ACOG, and you are just under Marquis in range, without a six shot clip. It also gives you excellent turret Accelerator and bot/Thrall destroyer without needing to close.
4th: Triple Threat - The key difference between Triple Threat and Sticky Mirv(the mutation choice) is that you can still guide the second and third grenades with Triple Threat. In theory, you could hit three separate targets with Sticky MIRV at the same time. In practice, youâre more likely to waste two of the grenades. And unless youâre REALLY good at hitting arcing skill shots, Stick Nâ Sap, is a massive loss of tactical capability.
5th: Killer Regen - Reload and Speed Burst, are decent choices if you donât have the mutation unlocked. But once you do, this is your go-to every game. it basically gives you a 22 HR stat on every kill(be it bot, minion, turret shard or player) you make. You become your own healer. Need a quick heal? Burst down a minion, wait ten seconds, burst down a shard, wait ten seconds, burst down a turret.
6th; Napalm - So, who thinks Oscar Mike is still rabidly unfair? he only shoots ONE incendiary grenade, and his donât even slow on impact. Once you unlock this, start training to nail that first grenade, and THEN the other two. if you can hit with the first, the others will generally land on most medium to large sized BB models, tripling your explosive damage. If you want to get creative, hit with the first, and then try and land the next two where your enemy will run.
7th: Duct-Taped Mags - Shield Pen and When There Just Isnât Enough, are servicable if you have a really good reload speed. But basically, this gives you 60 rounds to shoot with, as D-TMâs reduce your reload speed to just over a single burst from WFâs rifle. Itâs a good pressure builder on enemies who think they can wait and burn your clip before countering.
8th: Spread Shot - Largely, Scrap Cannon is useless at anything but close range. So, donât think of it as a damage effect beyond that. Think of it as bumping up your assault Rifle damage at a critical moment. You want a wide spread at range, as any single pellet will trigger the damage amp.
9th: Swift Stickies - More slows, more nape, more boomâŚwhatâs not to love?
10th: What Shields - Now, this is a BIT subjective. What Shields is generally the better choice, as there are almost no groups that donât run SOME kind of shields. But, it can lose effectiveness based on how many non-shielded Eldrid there are against you. If you run against one of those rare teams, Overoverdrive could be a better choice. If you find yourself totally unconcerned with shields in the late game, OOD is fine. Otherwise, Iâd stick with What Shields.
I always go ACOG, and 4-shot burst, now that itâs not glitching out his ultimate. I know most players frown on it, but it crams 4 shots into the 3-shot burst window, and I think it makes his DPS even more unpredictable than Duct-Taped Mags, which is still an awesome choice. I love it when Helix choices are a toss-up, or situational.
Anti-Motion Brace is good, but Iâd rather have Mini-Singularity Launcher⌠tag the Miko, slow him, shred him with flak. Mushroom risotto. Good times.
I think itâs worth mentioning that when playing Incursion, the final Helix choice is even more situational. If oneâs team is winning, Overoverdrive after Swiss Cheese can strip a healthy chunk of a Sentryâs shields. If oneâs team is losing, What Shields may be necessary to backdoor a rear Sentry to a 50-49 win.
This is what i like about Whiskey, all his helix are good and balanced⌠except maybe at level 6 where the napalm seams better than the 2 others.
Maybe add a second effect to Sticky Speed like -30% time before explosion or +30% radius and something like increase his movement speed by 20% for 3 seconds on Flakback or a 2sec slow
7th: Duct-Taped Mags - But basically, this gives you 60 rounds to shoot with,
I have to thank you for this explanation. Iâd been avoiding this helix, because I thought it would be annoying to have reload speed be uneven. But when you put it this way, it makes a crap-ton of sense.
Iâd been playing around with the shield pen helix and bunker buster, and while I do think it is neat, itâs also gimmicky/situational and this seems like it has far more utility and I can use something else in that gear slot (like singularity).
No problem.
ty for explaining pretty much almost everything to these guys. Kept wondering why they never went with duct taped mags. Still whiskeyâs scrap cannon is a killer with his combat rhythm buff and tight spread. It helped out in situations where I ran out of ammo,not enough time to reload, and donât have the reload speed on the next clip as i can just click e to snipe them down. If i miss then i have 2 more tries but the 3 charges for the scrap cannon can potentially kill someone if they have less than 20% hp(probably higher depending on who the character is).
Left everytime time in pvp, especially now that it has been buffed to 25% for 8 seconds. The range increase doesnât come until late in the game whereas the 25% damage increase gives you ridiculous burst potential with whiskeyâs passive and is good right at lvl 2. I have been melting people with it ever since his buff.
I do usually pick the taped mags if Iâm not running a shield pen build, and I usually go grenade dmg too.
True JC, but the scrap cannon fires slightly OFF center of the reticle. Itâs why I donât try and rely on it TOO much. The Scrap Cannon can really land a solid hit if youâre hitting the right model at the right time. But a lucky juke, a small model or a minion stepping in front, all serve to lower itâs damage with no benefit to you. With Swiss Cheese, even if you miss some of the spray, your more accurate assault rifle, gets a damage kicker that can help finish the job.
I got use to it and adapted to it, still makes for a good finisher. Also it deals heavy damage and tend to use all 3 chargers on someone if i have the 25% passive dmg boost.