The X guide on Hellborn Krieg for the new players

[Gulfwulf (Cast Iron Chef)]

I had actually hoped to not use FtB, since this would be Hellborn (as the topic of the thread implies) with Mania.

I know. I was answering your question as to why people threw their axes. I’ll also throw mine when my health is low while rampaging and I don’t think I’ll get a kill. That way I can rampage again after the previous one is over.

Since throwing the axe apparently does approx 60% of melee damage, couldn’t you just do 100% instead but then not use StV – and save yourself 5 points to boot?

Not if you want to play in the OP levels. Non-StV builds are perfectly viable until around OP 4. After that you really need that 500% damage boost if you want to kill things while rampaging.

At least from what I 've read…

Yep. If you’re going to hit yourself in the head, you might as well make it worth your while.

By boosting StV that high, won’t it also then be so high that the self-inflicted damage would also be dangerous?!?

Not with a Rough Rider and a Blood of the Ancients. There’s also Taste of Blood which helps greatly. And Numbed Nerves if you’re going with Hellborn.

You could also were a adaptive shield from the increased health and elemental resist (which should be fire as long as your on fire).

Most of the Hellborn skills are either only active or get a boost if you’re on fire, so having an adaptive isn’t a good idea, nor is having an inflammable shield.

[Piemanlee (Knows how 3D spaces work)]

My mistake I’m kind of new to hellborn and wasn’t thinking lol.

[Gulfwulf (Cast Iron Chef)]

No problem. Just remember Hellborn is all about setting yourself and your enemies on fire. So if you can’t do both, you’re not playing it to its full potential.

[Piemanlee (Knows how 3D spaces work)]

Hellborn maina did get me though op1 and 2 with little problem, but i am being a scrub lord and using a fotfh ATM planning on picking up a rr if I ever feel like doing the dlc again.

[Gulfwulf (Cast Iron Chef)]

Nothing wrong with the Hawk, but it won’t protect you from StV hits.

[Piemanlee (Knows how 3D spaces work)]

Yeah I’ll get a RR when ever I hit like op4 or 5 also I need a food weapon for fire based enemy’s like scorch any suggestions. Preferably an easy farm so no twister.

[xmngr (Amara is a saner Krieg)]

They usually use Moxxi stuff with a B/H build.
Badly named “Hellborn”

[Piemanlee (Knows how 3D spaces work)]

Hellborn/bloodlust is fun it just tears though ammo and bad guys alike. Everything’s on fire and exploding what more could u want.

[xmngr (Amara is a saner Krieg)]

[Maveco]

very impossibru to survive op8 without FotF…
gud healing
… much rabid stalker rage
wow

[onomastikon]

Wow very cool. Thank you.

It’s interesting then that Krieg seems to be the only character that does not immediately benefit from his only inherent skill (BXR) without everything melee-related in Mania maxed in OP levels (I mean, if you cannot kill anything while rampaging). I mean compared to, say, gunzerking or tossing out a turret or so.

Thank you for enlightening me!

[onomastikon]

May I ask 3 more questions here please?

• Does Elemental Empathy heal for any DoT status effect you inflict (including corrosion and shock damage)?
• Why does Fuel the Fire seem so unpopular with many people?
• Numbed Nerves: I do not entirely understand how damage reduction stacks / doesn’t stack; while I understand that Taste of Blood and Numbed Nerves have different conditions (only while rampaging, stacks of BL / only while on fire), I’m not sure I understand what happens when I wear a RR (which I currently do). When I spec into ToB, I feel pretty invincible when rampaging; when specced into NN, I don’t feel all that safe. Maybe it’s because I don’t have enough points in Hellborn to keep myself permanently ignited, maybe because of something else. In any case, what about both: Will a “cap” on damage reduction keep me from enjoying benefits of both NN and ToB together if wearing a RR?

thank you

[Piemanlee (Knows how 3D spaces work)]

1. Only if you take the skill delusanal damage I think it’s called.
2. I wouldn’t say it’s unpopular it’s just not the best skill and with a leg torch putting 1 in it makes it 6/5 which is plenty
3. There’s a thread going about damage reduction maybe give it a read because I can’t help you on this one.

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

I understand that Taste of Blood and Numbed Nerves have different conditions (only while rampaging, stacks of BL / only while on fire),

Remember, RtB gives an additional 50% damage reduction. When you activate RtB and have 100 stacks of bloodlust with ToB specced with your RR, that’s 120% damage reduction.

If you’re using a hellborn/bloodlust spec, then you don’t have RtB and the 50% damage reduction that comes with it. That might be why you feel less safe.

[Gulfwulf (Cast Iron Chef)]

May I ask 3 more questions here please?

No.

Does Elemental Empathy heal for any DoT status effect you inflict (including corrosion and shock damage)?

I believe it’s only burn damage, but @xmngr should know more.

Why does Fuel the Fire seem so unpopular with many people?

It’s a bit redundant with Burn, Baby, Burn, and it only applies to DoT chance, not damage.

Numbed Nerves: I do not entirely understand how damage reduction stacks

It all gets added together. Check out this thread for more information on DR.

Will a “cap” on damage reduction keep me from enjoying benefits of both NN and ToB together if wearing a RR?

There is no cap, but you cannot be completely immune to damage. I read awhile back the max damage reduction is like 69% or so. Remember there’s a difference between Damage Resistance (which is what your shield and skills give you) and actual damage reduction, which is the amount of damage that is subtracted by the incoming damage.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

Does Elemental Empathy heal for any DoT status effect you inflict (including corrosion and shock damage)?

It heals you for all DoT damage, including shock and corrosive DoTs. And I don’t believe you need Delusional Damage for this, but don’t quote me.

Example

Why does Fuel the Fire seem so unpopular with many people?

Because his 2 most popular gun based coms already boost it by +5, his Legendary Reaper and Torch. So for 1 point at 6/5 that is +240% chance to cause a status effect, and for normal play you basically never need more than that. And your points are better spent else where.

[Gulfwulf (Cast Iron Chef)]

Does anybody know who maintains the BL 2 skill calculator? Elemental Empathy says burn damage and not elemental damage, which is why I gave @onomastikon the wrong information.

[xmngr (Amara is a saner Krieg)]

Does Elemental Empathy heal for any DoT status effect you inflict (including corrosion and shock damage)?

Yes. But it is seen better on corrosion and fire DoT

[Maveco]

And I don’t believe you need Delusional Damage for this, but don’t quote me.

The only thing Delusional Damage does is override both Burn, Baby, Burn and Fuel the Fire so that self-ignition happens with the other elements aswell.

[onomastikon]

Yes, sorry, the bl2 skill calculator has mislead me again. Thank you all muchly. Need much practice with Hellborn, I’m currently too stupid to make it work well.