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#13

I don´t see a big imbalance within the characters …
Sure … there are some that kick a bit too much ass right now but a few tweaks and they are fine. Even the way it is now there is nothing gamebreaking … it is inherent to a game with such an “asymmetrical” lineup of characters where all are different that some will be favored against others (in certain situation).

What´s the problem with Collision? Yes, you can get stuck between minions, heroes … and yes, a big bulky guy may offer advantages or disadvantages depending on the situation. I think the collision system is working fine and cohesive. It´s not like there´s something unpredictable or unfair …

Not having any problems with the menus … there´s even a sort and rename function (as long as they work … stuck in gear screen, ahem)

True … and it sucks … but it´s not like the game will be any better if we either hype the world before release or belie the haters later.

True … can´t be that hard to work in compensation for the remaining ppl, bots as replacement and punishment for the leaver jerks though. I´m confident they can do that quickly.

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#14

A lot of people are iffy about bots being used a replacements for quitters, since they tend to either be strategic geniuses made of nightmares, or feeders. I’m not sure which they are in this game, since I’m lucky enough to be in the NA server, so there were plenty of players and I ran into only 1 bot. It’s a problem that MOBAs have struggled with for a while, though. Hopefully the only reason why quitting wasn’t punished was that this is a Beta, so you aren’t being held to moral standards.

It’s worth taking most of the aspects of the Beta with a pinch of salt, since there will be more changes and updates before launch, and I’m sure that Gearbox will continue testing in the weeks before launching.

And let’s all admit that Gearbox, while good developers, do not have a strong marketing ethic. Which is fine. It means they work harder to make sure that the game speaks for itself so that word-of-mouth will market for them. Battleborn is the first Gearbox game I’ve heard of BEFORE launch, or have seen ANY ads for at all.

#15

Galilea is in a pretty borderline OP at the moment. she has the vacuum mutation + shield stun. This can kill someone who is at a range quickly. Just a quick sprint and plant the vacuum, then stun. Plus the damage spike from her blade shooting talent.

#16

I played one or two matches with bots when I introduced new players to the beta … as far as I can tell they were not particularly good or bad … they were quite defensive sometimes and let you get away when they could have chased and finished you … I guess I have definitely seen worse (suicidal) players than bots though … so they got that going for them.

Ofc bots are no perfect solution … but if there is no compensation for the remaining players (or is there? o.0) and ppl can´t (re)join a game that´s in play than I would prefere a mediocre bot to being short a character.

#17

I think bots are very bad. Me and a friend played a game against two bots, Boldur and Whiskey Foxtrot. I was Montana, he was OM. Well, we split up and I find both my enemies at one lane, kill them both. That’s not the worst thing, we didn’t see Foxtrot like half of the match. He was idling in his base or something? He didn’t do a thing, he was just gone and ever after searching him we couldn’t find him.

#18

Well I think it´s quite unfair to compare 2 players vs 2 bots …
What we are talking about is 5 players vs. 4 players+ 1 bot or something along those lines.

Anyway … pls don´t get the impression that I am pro-bots above everything else … I just think it´s better than nothing until the right solution is found!

#19

I am not comparing bots to people, I was not suprised that I’d beat the 2 bots with ease. But why the heck was Foxtrot gone about half of the match? If you get a bot like that in a 4v5 match, so it get 5v5 again, he is no use because he ain’t doing anything anyways.

#20

Well I guess the missing bot was obviously a bug then?
… even in such a case it wouldn´t be worse than having a leaver with no countermeasure anyway.

And again … It´s not like I think bots are the perfect solution but it’s most likely better than nothing.

#21

Yes, bots are better than nothing. Except for when they make the bots so bad they just feed your enemy team, but I’m sure they won’t.
And after like half the match Foxtrot decided to show up again. Like, I killed him, we didn’t see him for half the match, and then he came back like “Hey guys, I’m back! Just needed a cup of tea, but now I’m back to killing!” I don’t think it was a bug, more like… Idk, he was probably too busy collecting shards… For 6 minutes.

#22

Yeah I get it … you had one game with bots where you killed both of them and one was somehow missing for most of the game, ergo bots can not be considered a solution. :expressionless: … at all … ever.

Apparently none of us have tested bots thoroughly and thus this argument is pretty mindless … ( not to mention the devs could always fix / rework bots behavior if they saw a need )

Either way … let´s leave it at that … I`m sure Gearbox will come up with a good solution for launch and it´s not like our opinions will change that anyway.

#23

I literaaly said that they should add bots, but not feeders. And then I said that they probably won’t add bots that are feeders.

That second part was just a response to you saying that it was probably a bug, but I don’t think it was a bug.

We are having the same opinion really, I just stated one problem I once had with 1 bot.

#24

Okay, sorry then!
It came across somewhat sarcastic too me … :wink:

Obviously bots would have to be competetive if they are to replace players in PvP matches and thus be reworked if their current state is lacking.

#25

Don’t worry about it, the internet is a hard place to communicate! Everything is so different when you say it directly to someones face.

It’s hard… They must be in the fight, but not too much because then they become feeders. Luckily I am not the person who has to create balanced bots. XD

#26

actually there are some things unfair with the collision system right now. on more then one occasion I found myself pinned between 3 enemy characters with no possibility of escape. they would then beat on me and would be able to reduce me from full health to dead with out any possibility of me escaping. combine this with one of the characters having a slow and it becomes really easy to neutralize high mobility characters or tanks that do not have an escape.

#27

I would say the should give the game another 3-ish months. I rather wait for a more polished game play.

#28

Also, as a continue on my previous post;
The game went gold a couple of weeks ago, and assume it’s coming to the point of being shipped.

#29

I do admit I have had collision issues, especially right out of the gate at the beginning of the match when everyone is sprinting out of the gate or in the tunnels in incursion and I’m trying to escape. I have no clue what I keep getting caught up on.

#30

So you got yourself in the middle of 3 enemy characters and you think it´s unfair that they could just beat you to death and you couldn´t glitch threw them to get away? :expressionless:

Btw. … you realize that bodyblocking is a thing in ordinary MOBAs and Shooters alike? Why should this game do it differently?

Sure, you will end up in an “unconfortable” position or get blocked (by enemies and teammates alike) from time to time but all other players have to deal with the same hitboxes and so on … as far as I could tell there was nothing inexplicable about the collision model so I´d say it works fine.

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#31

yes I think its bad that as a tank I got beat on for a solid minute before I died because it was early game. and while body blocking may a thing, not being able to move diagonally between enemy character is a bad thing.

#32

marketing is an issue in an era when “marketing” is the number 1 search term above “money” and “sex”. just check google analytics and it’s tendency is actually alarming.

i came across battleborn when searching for borderlands 3 info, and i fell in love mostly because it felt like borderlands with a twist but so far i havent seen any advertising or paid publicity on any media outside Facebook (which i had battleborn, borderlands, gearbox, 2k and every related “likes” already on my watchlist)