#8

Day 1 Alani. That is all.

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#9

Let me see if I understood correctly. On one side, you’re suggesting the removal of bots battle because private queue is the same and it’s eating up queue. While on the other one, you’re advising to keep Incursion maps queue (which is adding because normally Incursion is gone on solo/versus queue days)

No one can argue that Incursion has always been the most popular mode but it’s still not a good reason to keep adding additional unnecessary queues. Solo/versus is Incursion most/all the time.

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#10

Why not move bots battle to training?
That way you can still match with other players online but it doesn’t take up PvP queue space.

As for solo queue I’d love to have it permanently so long as they don’t let it interfere with QM or incursion.
They do however need to make one change to it; It groups 10 players then divides them between two teams based on s/dq ELO.(pairs stay together of course)
This wold prevent people from trying to make a full premade in sdq.

What I think needs to happen to kevin:
Kelvin

  • Chomp max health bonus increased by 500% but now has diminishing returns based on max health gained through chomp.
  • Increase primary damage by 15%.
  • Reduce secondary damage by 10%.
  • Improve hitbox on Ice Wall and ice wall’s health is doubled.
  • Sublimate now has diminishing returns on battleborn. The first hit stuns for 2s, the 2nd hit 1s and all others are slowed.
  • Sublimate no longer stuns the puller when pulled out of the skill.
  • L3® “Icemaker” now has a heavy slow that lasts 5s and grants CC immunity while in sublimate.

Pretty much what I suggested and the exact reasons too.

  • They need to remove the ability to see the enemy picks in non-draft character select.

[1] In a competitive setting seeing what the enemy team picks either leads to counter picks and counter-counter picks or last second picks.
This prevents counter picks and helps players focus more on their team comp rather than trying to counter what the other team picked.

For draft they need to allow players to select a character and then “Trade” it with a teamate lower in the pick order.

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#11

Putting in my 2 cents on the game and topic here.

Firstly, the game shouldn’t have been released when it was. Fundamentally, releasing anything next to a Blizzard title wasn’t the best move. Now moving beyond that, the game itself wasn’t ready at launch (I didn’t play competitive at launch, so the Day 1 Alani’s as mentioned above I never noticed/saw). Characters are broken (El Dragoon used to be a force of nature, Galiea STILL is stupidly OP, Boulder takes a team and a half to kill and some characters still have things in their Helix options that are like wtf?)

Secondly, the matchmaking/queue system is a jumbled mess, well most of the time. Understanding that the population/community is small is important, but throwing in all these new things to try and attract or distract from that remaining fact is not the way to go about it. Instead of adding new things to distract from the core of the game, how about fixing the core of the game to make it all balanced? For example, why, on green earth, would it be alright for a full team of 100s and above to fight a team of players made up of 10s and below? In ANY queue? It’s not. It’s unacceptable and I understand coding/making games is hard, but this late in the game’s lifecycle it’s hard to find good competition without the 2-3 good five man’s on PS4 dodging each other or curbstomping each and every other team in the process. Also, in regards to the game modes themselves, Incursion is the most popular. I won’t pretend to know why as this is my first time playing anything resembling a MOBA, but Incursion is king. The games are longer (usually) and don’t typically turn into TDM as Face Off and Capture almost always do, sometimes Meltdown does.

Thirdly, on balancing the characters. I get that some characters are generally not as good as others. But for certain characters to go weeks or months without IMMEDIATE balancing changes when they are reported or abused, then there is something wrong. (Beatrix has a lvl 1 Silence that RE-APPLIES itself for some reason, Galilea’s pull and stun combo is still stupid, Boulder takes wayyyy too long to kill and maybe think about adjusting some of Alani’s helix options?). Moving to gear changes, can we please adjust the natures of passives and remove them from skill trees as most people are just abusing the Bolas Target Finder on whatever character has a passive registering as a skill.

Fourth and finally, there are things that should really take priority other than Battleplans where we get two weeks of nothing, just to tell us “we’ll get back to you in another two weeks”. There are still outstanding Story mode bugs and issues, servers DCing people at random before the match even starts or during the match itself. Hell, there was a rough spot where Deande was causing entire games to crash because the game couldn’t handle the holo twin pop in; from my understanding this has been a constant issue speaking with @Nemosis327 before the winter update; two holo twins caused massive lag spikes and/or massive DCs from both teams.

Work on the foundation before adding more. Maps are still similarly unbalanced (with Echelon and Monuments in Incursion being the worst offenders IMO, the former moreso than the latter). We’ve been stuck with 3 maps and “no preference” since the third maps for each mode were released. Maybe add another map to each mode and then fix the mainstay maps.

As a community it’s very frustrating to want to play the game we enjoy when there is no listening from those that make it. There are compromises we can understand, but after being out for nearly a year, there are some things that are unacceptable and it’s being proven day by day with more and more people leaving the game entirely.

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#12

Just want to point out, im pretty sure the pvp queues arent limited to four slot. im fairly certain thered be a scroll bar there if they had 5+ queues.

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#13

Well given that I’m a Kelvin main, do please take my input here with a grain of salt, but:

Kelvin definitely doesn’t do too much damage. I’d say his damage is right about where it should be. You’re exaggerating the cooldown on Sublimate (not impossible to get close to that, though, by late game). I disagree with the notion that he shouldn’t be able to 1v1 - I think any character should have 1v1s they can win and those they can’t. July patch Kelvin was in a position where he couldn’t 1v1 at all. The 1 second stun kept him from being able to damage his preferred targets (dreadfully out of position squishies) enough to kill them before they could escape, and oftentimes would get himself killed trying to because he couldn’t escape with Sublimate anymore. Returning him to 2s stuns alleviated that, but he still has to choose carefully who he tries to get into a brawl with or he will suffer for it.

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#14

everything you said was absolutely perfect. I have never understood adding some of these game modes they have added, when there were so many huge glaring issues that should have taken priority. Constantly releasing characters when the core characters were not even balanced yet, etc. How did beatrix make it through testing? I am ALL about heroes being very powerful when skill and coordination are required. Simply pressing a button and silencing an entire lane from across the map for an eternity is not skill.

My absolute biggest issue is with gear. Bola’s, skill spike, symbiotic, borrowed timer, firmware, these things simply have to go. Instead of trying to balance them, just make them a pve thing or only able to be used in certain queues. They are literally sucking the life out of being able to enjoy the game in anything other than private matches. We can only 5v5 our friends so many times before we just want to be able to play against other people in a fair game. I am a competitive person, but I know what it is like to win and lose. I am ok with losing by getting outplayed, but when I lose because of gear, that is unacceptable. The only argument people ever has is that if the developers didnt want people using it competitively, they would do something about it. How much longer are you going to give them an excuse?

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#15

Yeah she was like orendi with cc and heals.

#16

No, no, no. Just no. To all of that.

#17

Can you clarify why that would be bad and what you think should be done to improve him?

#18

You can’t add slow to sublimate, even if it is on third hit. Diminishing returns should apply to all stuns not just his and then balanced according to those changes. His primary and secondary auto attacks don’t seem like a problem, what makes him op are his skills. His attacks could do 5 damage and it wouldn’t fix the things that make him op. Chomp damage increase, why? It is one of the hardest hitting single target skills in the game. It doesn’t make sense to increase its strength early game, that will just make it easier to build up max health. Ice wall is just the right size, it can completely block most bottlenecks and it is already difficult for one character to break before it expires.

I agree with the snail trail helix needing attention but I don’t think adding cc immunity is going to make it much more viable as it is already one the best escapes in the game and stun is to important.

Don’t pull them until the skill expires. Easier to hit him that way too.

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#19

I think you may have misread a bit.

Slow replaces stun after you hit two BB. You are already only able to apply CC to each BB once per sublimate.
eg: you sub and hit 3 enemy BB, BB1 is stunned for 2s, BB2 is stunned for 1s, BB3 is slowed(medium) for 3s but not stunned.

Chomp is not getting a damage bonus, the bonus is to max health gained.

The changes to primary and secondary are to encourage using his primary a bit more since right now most good kelvins never use primary since secondary is better at almost everything.(Slightly less single target damage but much harder to miss, AOE and slight pushback.)

The icewall change is because it can be destroyed almost as soon as you use it by 1-2 dps.
Doubling it’s health would help it stay up a bit longer against 1-2 people hitting it but would still let it be destroyed almost instantly if a team focuses it.
Also size isn’t changed, the hitbox part is regarding the inconstancy of the stun/placement of it when casting icewall.

The slow helix change is to give that helix a bit more viability and cement sublimate as an escape that playstyle.
(Note: There is more than one way to play a character, while I don’t believe it is best used as an escape there are those that do.)

While I agree stuns(/repeat CC of the same type on the same BB in a short time) should have diminishing returns this was about kelvin, not global cc changes.

#20

Of the 3 S tier tanks Kelvin is ranked lowest for a reason. It takes people that know how to enter and exit to work him properly.

The stun sucks when it happens to you and it’s a crucial moment, but in all honesty most Kelvin’s use it primarily as escape when they dive in because they think it’s their “get out of jail free card”. Anyone who has ever played Kelvin has done it, anyone who says they haven’t is lying. If you have some sort of pull, silence or pop up CC, then Kelvin is countered and he is countered HARD. As long as the person with the CC mentioned knows when and how to use it. If I see an enemy Kelving and I’m playing Shayne or Ghalt, I hang back and wait for the Sublimate, then hit the pull as Kelvin tries flying by and too far. Boom, that’s usually a dead Kelvin. if he doesn’t die, then at least he knows that he can’t just Sublimate all willy nilly.

Hard counters to Kelvin are: Shayne, Ghalt, Galilea, Rath, Beatrix, Montana and a good majority of the cast simply make it hard for the big Ice Lug to simply exist.

As far as his melee combos go, Kelvin is hardly a finisher, he needs his team to do a lot, if his team is not good at supporting him, even the best of Kelvin’s struggle. His melee ground smash is fine where it is, no buffs or nerfs needed to it. And the icewall has such a chance of backfiring on Kelvin that it encourages practice, not haphazard use of it. It takes a lot of skill to land that consistently for chain stuns.

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#22

@loving-hatred, I believe you May have posted in the wrong topic. Just a thought.

#23

Slow replacing stun on third hit, I assume you are trying to mitigate multiple stuns then? What if you hit a minion first? This would be too much of a nerf to his stun. Like I said, if stuns are given diminishing returns it should effect all stuns not just one stun ability.

Max health is damage on chomp and as I said it would just further strengthen his late game.

Like I said, it doesn’t matter how much damage his basic attacks do. You would have a better chance of getting people to use his primary more by reducing the aoe or make the pushback on every third hit or something. It is the utility not the damage that people use it for.

Ice wall. If you have that many focusing or wasting skills to drop it than it has done its job and then some. I will agree that placement can be tricky but it’s better than it used to be, or maybe you just need practice.

I explained why the change to snail trail would not make it more viable. He is already near invincible while snowballed it’s not worth giving up stun for cc immunity.

#24

That was strange, thanks for the heads up!

#25

Rath isn’t a hard counter to Kelvin because Catalytic Smash doesn’t interrupt sublimate. And is the only knock up that can’t for some strange reason. He is a great complement to anyone who does counter him though because he can follow up after they CC him out of sublimate.

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#26

I totally thought he did knock him out of subs. Even rath’s silence pop up doesn’t knock him out of it?

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#27

Nope. It can only interrupt in the brief wind up on sublimate. But that’s so short you can’t react to it, only predict it.

However, the silence is long enough that a team can focus him down on Incursion if someone like Ghalt pulls him out of place first. So he’s a great complement to Kelvin counters, just not one himself.

Also note worthy fact about Rath’s knock up: it’s the only knock up that can’t take Galilea out of her puddle form. Actually I’m not sure if Boldur can take her out of her puddle or not. Need to test that…

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#28

i dont think anything bu ghault and other galis and pull her out. im sure beatrix can pull you out and automatically one shot you somehow

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