Toby's Lore, Killing on Rails, Double-Kill Core Discharge

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#5

It really is, I laughed when I saw it in his lore and just assumed I’d never get him to max so I left him alone. I mean, his rail gun does more damage than that thing while having more range and the ability to use his boosts and shields.

IF a game even lasts to lvl 10, you can get the burst laser which has some range on it and get a chance to do some damage but I really just don’t understand what his ult is supposed to be doing. You can’t move fast so it’s not a finisher, you cant attack at range with it so it’s not a nuke, it lowers your damage output AND defensive capabilities. It’s an ult that when popped, makes toby worse, instead of better.

ATM if I even use him, I use the ult for large enemies like thrall because it’s more fun than rail gun spam… but I realy don’t notice a damage difference.

For something that seems to want to get multikills, why does it not penetrate targets while my primary cannon can?

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#6

Even with the left side of the helix at level 10 unlocked, you reduce your 1.5k stream for 3 shots each being 250 and adding up to 750 in total. So even then since the ULT can’t penetrate its pointless to use that unless they are 25% or less big time with those 3 shots only. P.S. Battleborns website shows they buffed his ult by 100 points since the last time they changed their website to their current game (https://battleborn.com/en/battleborn/toby/)

#7

Personally, I say they just lower the number on the lore challenge to maybe 1 or 2 (MAYBE 3). I mean, Ghalt has to get 10 first bloods and that’s rough as hell as well considering the first person you’re likely to encounter is Rath/Galz who can just stun you and kill you in 4 seconds.

#8

Thats sounds even more reasonable!!!

#9

One thing about lore challenges is that they should not, in anyway, gimp you or your team overall performance. Something like “Air kill” with come naturally but then, we have Toby’s ult lore.

I feel like the whole concept needs to be changed. Even if the amount of time is reduced to 1, it still isn’t good enough.

Why? Because for an ult with such a long cast time and so on, it’s weaker than a single charged shot late game. That’s the most disappointing part. You are purposefully gimping yourself by playing with a weaker damage, longer charge time ,shorter range and shorter speed projectile for the sake of a lore that can affect your team. It really needs to be toned down to single-kill so you can actually do it mid-game or switch to “Kill X Enemies” in general so it can be done in PvE where the ult is still pitiful cause headshot and AoE DoT wins PvE.

#10

Yeah i like Toby but i stopped playing because of its ult, its so useless that it feels like you only have 2 skills instead of 3.
They really need to buff his ult.

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#11

Have his ult push and stun. That’'ll fix its problems. Just trap some players on a wall for the duratio… Or push them off a cliff!

#12

that would be over powered as all hell, i think it needs a lower charge up time 3 seconds is basically a lifetime in pvp,

and it would be much better as a nuke weapon massive damage in a shortish burst that penetrates enemies in front of it
say 2 second burst at 6* the damage(might be broken its an idea )

but defiantly adding a stun is too much and the thing is so short range a push is a terrible idea as ur forcing the large paper thin toby yet closer to that place he does not wanna be near

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#13

100% agree.
Toby is my second character to master, and after benedict and the “3 hours flying” and “Make 3 friends you ***hole” challenges, I expected him to be an easier character to get the lore.

Well, then I saw that you needed to do 10 double kills with an ultimate that:
-Waste a lot of time charging
-Reduces your movement speed
-Makes you hard to see the enemies
-And don’t even do that much damage

43 games with him trying to do that challenge and… I got 4/10.

The rest of his challenges are easy, you can do 2 of them without even paying attention, and the other 2 (The destroy your mines and the self destroying killing thingy) you can do both easily in a pve mission.

I think his ultimate needs a buff (beside the challenge change, the benedict one is good)

When you throw your ult, if the enemy team knows toby, is like saying: KILL ME, I’M EXPOSED AND I CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.

#14

Just Finished this solo,

i played capture three white items one for sheild the other for skill damage and last a 0 cost heal power negative shard generator,

7 done in 4 hours of grinding its easier on outback due to the nice lines of fire play for the minions to get lvl5 super fast there are turrets o the corners for extra exp and i now have a pentakill and posative kda on him, id almost pick another character incase temples is chosen as that one is pure hell

still think this needs changing though

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#15

Yeah, this challenge is super hard.
I consider myself to be a decent Toby player. In good, evenly matched games, I tend to get 14-20 kills. I’ve played over 100 games with toby and I’m only at 4/10 It feels like you just have to get SUPER lucky to get a double kill with it. It doesn’t feel particularly skill-based.

#16

It isn’t. Is almost all luck based. You need: Both enemies low on health, both low mobility characters or slowed, being characters without shields (No galilea, Isic, Boldur, even Ambra with the passive…) and having a Healer, or both enemies low damage dealers, because in 6 seconds + the charge time + being slow throwing the ultimate is SO easy to kill you before you kill them…
Oh, almost forgot that allies can steal 1 of the kills.

Only in 1/10 games you will have the opportunity of having at least half of this requirements, and even with that is as easy as a Marquis/Thorn/ any ally last hit one of the enemies and you are done.

I’m at 4/10 too. u_u

#17

you dont actually require both to be low hp thats the MYTH,

in caps so people see it

YOU ONLY HAVE TO GET THE SECOND KILL WITH IN THE 10 SECOND WINDOW WITH THE ULTIMATE !!!

you can get the 1st kill on a high hp target. then kill off the lower hp target with your ult i have done the 1st kill with both quick attacks, pushing off the edge, rail gun (both through and not through a shield)

i have found if u got a triple qudra and i assume a pentakill (i have 2 pentas on my toby :slight_smile: ) that it does not count oddly and i think the arc mine does not either but i tend to take the stun and use it early

play outback capture i can assure you once u understand this it is very much skill based… proirtise exp until 5 learn the minion spawn time (i kinda did this subconsiously so dont know it) then follow a team mate about and fight some fights.

Normally I don’t condone Kill Stealing, but Toby calls them Kill Secures and is “sorry but I’m just doing my job”

hope this helps

#18

I know, I’ve done 2 “doubles kills” that way, but sometimes doesn’t works…

In a game agains low level enemies I had done 3 “Double kills” that way, but it only counted one. That’s why I said “Both low”, to secure that you get the challenge.

#19

I love using Toby. He actually requires some skill to use (mainly because his ultimate is so under powered) and as a character, I think he is awesome. Its a wonder that I was able to get 2/10 double kills with the core discharge so far, but considering I started trying for it at launch, that’s not saying much. Any idea when the next patch is due?

#20

I’m slowly doing the lore challenge as I go and the best way I found is that rare occasion where it’s Toby v Reyna and both are level 5. If Reyna throws up her bubble shield ult away, it goes through her ult and they just kinda run around trying to figure out what is damaging them. This is on consoles though so I’m not sure how much smarter PC players are but some console players aren’t the brightest sometimes.

#21

Terrible lore. There’s a lot of them.

#22

Im torn on this cause I do not like his legendary gear item and would never use it. However i do like reading lore about people. I really dont see me ever getting his 10 double kills.

#23

I have managed to get a single double kill using Toby’s ultimate attack.

One thing to keep in mind, you just need to get the SECOND kill with it. So you can wear down two enemies using traditional means, kill one using any skill and then kill the second using the ultimate.

Still fairly ridiculous and not something I’ve going to pursue.

#25

I now have got beaten all other characters Lore (sorry for my Bad english) in Order to get Platinum… Holy f*** there was a Lot of Sh*t in this game from farming 1000 kills with a bellyflop to 10 First bloods but this is pure pain from the backside… I just started Toby but Jesus this ult is more than useless… I read all the comments about that only the second kill has to be ultimate… Is there any Patch that will change the ult or the Lore? When does it Come? Thx for the help