@Jim_Raven. Jim, you mentioned Company Man and Cyber Eagle but I dont see them in @00Schmidt changelog???
Are we working with two separate patches??
no its one patch but we work sperately so I have certain things he might not and vice versa
You know what i will have to double check itā¦ yea we work separate and then combine cause me and schmidt have 10 hours difference between us thus when its night for me day for him and when i wake he sleeps etc so we try to communicate to the best of our abilities and then merge stuff. So far tho the only gun we did both conflict was too scoops 
we kept schmidts version since it felt better.
There is also the possibility i just forgot to add it in the notesā¦ Checking now will edit later
Edit: Ok i checked its in the code i just forgot to add it to the notes. OOPSā¦
EditCeption: Ok i checked the rest of the Codeā¦ apparently we forgot to add in the notes the changes to boxxy too DOUBLE Whoops! . i went Through all of it tho and thats all . We shall be more carefull in the future.
instead of editing the reply 5 times i decided to do a new reply for this. Company man is unchanged Yet all i meant is that it is designated as a drop. Below The notes There is a second Notes area which Contains Complete Loot Overhaul (CLO) changes. This is my baby project and my pride. Bassically that was the first thing when i though what could be fixed in tps. it was to add all the unobtainables and legendaries to a source. CLO Does exactly that! Because the changes are Numerous we kept the change logs seperatly for the Patch and CLO but they are merged in the same file
It is possible. We simply Up its DMG and remove The Continuous DMG bonus, Kinda feel it would break it tho. Will playtest it
I fully agree
I tried my best to make Wilhelm rock, and everything is just not on par with the rest.
They didnāt want to make him too special in such and such way, and by doing so they failed to make him good at anything.
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I think the snowball is another good opportunity to make something cool instead of just something good:
I think in general, just buffing the damage is the lazy way to do this
We should make this game more exciting, more diverse, ā¦more Borderlands-y 
Instead of increasing its damage, I think it would be much more interesting to massively buff its elemental effect chance: make it a āfreeze on commandā kind of item.
Cryo is a great debuff, but it can be hard to apply, especially to enemies with shields.
Here we have a weapon that is balanced around a lot of things to justify what it gives: It has very low capacity (you canāt carry a lot of them) it has very small radius, its comparatively hard to aim, it has limited range and itās slow (when compared to a gun).
Giving it something like 5X the chance to freeze would make it unique, niche, useful, very cool, usable at all levels and justifiable as a choice of reward.
Turn it into something that is used the same way the Magic Missile is used in BL2
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i like it. We will try it
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Iām a big fan of this idea so weāll definitely give it a try
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Iām gonna quote you on everything John, so that I donāt have to type the whole list myself, hope you donāt mind
Agreed
Yeah sure, why not
The Major Tom is alright in my mind, itās already one of the best ARs in the game. Tightening the spread and boosting the mag size is fine by me, but the damage boost is overkill IMO
Damage is all this thing has, buffing it is a waste
I would rather see it consume one less ammo per shot instead
Time to do something cool: this is a Vladof spinnigun, so it should shoot lots of bullets.
I suggest that ammo consumption be reduced to zero for a few seconds after each time it freezes something 
ā¦And make the music louder
Increase DoT would be great, this thing needs to see play ā¦ I donāt really know what to do with it, but something needs to be done
Yup
Considering that this gun already has a shtick, that it has perfect accuracy already, already no recoil and has no fire rate to speak of since its semi-auto, Iād be hard pressed to fins anything else besides damage to change on it ā¦ so Iām going with the same thing as John
That side bullet completely ruins this gun, just get rid of it completely
Is 30% enough in this case ? Not sure ā¦ this thing has a horrible pattern and spread, has a huge delay delay if you miss and has self-damage ā¦
It needs a MASSIVE damage boost to be considered playable.
Iām thinking, if it did about as much as a ravager it would make sense. so ā¦ maybe 60% boost ?
The Torguemada is already, in my mind, the best shotgun in the game, period
Giving it grenade splash would be nice if it doesnāt already though ā¦ but this gun doesnāt need anything else
Wholeheartedly agree here
A mag size increase would do it more good since it needs a few shots to reach pinpoint accuracy.
Everything but the damage boost for me
Sounds fair
ā¦ Ok, a few of my own
Make the frostfire Obtainable at all levels
Make the smasher (That Jakobs pistol you get at level 1) obtainable from normal loot sources ā¦and buff its damage by at least 30% : itās exactly like the Maggie right now, but with worse ammo consumption
Massively buff the Razorbackās damage
Replace the Proletariat revolution with the Infinity
Viral Marketeer: I think keeping it corrosive-locked makes sense (its viralā¦ like the infection or whatever)
so I would change something else about it. Give it the same nova as the Oxidizer when your proc a corrode effect (so that it can āspreadā to other targets)
Min-Min lighter: Massively boost its Dot damage (I think spreading damage in an AOE was the idea behind this gun, but the damage is way too low for that, so to avoid breaking it, increasing DoT is a way to make it better without screwing with base damage
Cat O Nine tails: This thing was re-balanced with a lower fire rate to compensate for its gimmick ā¦ but its overbalanced. Increasing the fire rate to just under what the normal version of this gun has would be a start. Tightening the spread on the ricochet would help tremendously
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Why not change it to another element? Well, I hope itās possible. I mean, fire is too specialized to few enemies, while maybe shock is more universal in this game.
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LOVE that idea. I hate fire on VCā¦its not that good in TPS.
Shock would be way better!! And this is a capstones skill for crying out loudā¦it should be really good!
i am actually thinking Explosive tbh. There are still tech difficulties with skills and for now we will focus on Gears. Once we are in a confident state in our gear balance we shall move to skills.
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Its Damage On card is on par with purple similar parted. What we did was something more simple tbh , We just made it Consume One ammo per shot. TBH it feels still weak to me due to its Firing pattern but for a lvl 1 gun is not bad. OFC i have allready given it to a quest as a reward But awaiting feedback on it
That makes it really just a poor manās Maggie thenā¦ The same but crappier
Or like an iron: same damage, same ammo consumptionā¦
I think raising its damage is a good way to make it stand on its own from both a Maggie and an Iron.
It needs to have higher damage than both of these for its ammo consumption
All of these would be balanced and unique:
Iron: Normal damage, Accurate
Maggie: Higher damage, less Accurate
Luck Cannon: Higher damage, Accurate, much less shots between reloads
Smasher: Highest damage, less Accurate, more ammo consumed, less shots between reloads
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You have to consider its a LVL1 gun tho. if we make it on par with maggie or luck cannon in a way it breaks it
A lvl 1 gunās power doesnāt matter much: youāll outgrow it by level 4-5 ā¦which is about 30 minutes away
What matters is: is it a fun gun to play with when compared to other unique guns in the game ?
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BUT. I have found a way to replace the LVL1 guns so there is that.
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Explosive!! Oh I like the sound of that!
You can still give one at Level 1
As long as it can be obtained from the grinder or another loot sourceā¦ And as long as itās good enough (or at least different enough) to use.
If itās exactly like a Maggieā¦but not as goodā¦ then itās never worth using
It should do something different. Consuming 3 ammo per shot is differentā¦ there are no Jakobs pistols that consume more ammo. It just needs its damage adjusted to balance it out