#31

@vCarpeDiemv I definitely understand the points you guys are making, regardless of the word we assign.

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#32

No doubt man. Once released in the wild, many oversights will be seen and things to improve on immediately noticed. It comes with the territory. It’s a two way street but I always try to remember why we’re here in the first place - the Devs created a good baseline we enjoy (ed) and now want to make it better. Again, I’m irritated by much of the same things and think many ideas are worth consideration but the vitriol and the ‘I figured this out, why can’t you’ shade directed at GB is a little much for me.

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#33

Devs: “We don’t want FL4K to have pets that are too powerful because it would detract from the gun game.”

Also devs: Release Iron Cub, with anoints that double it’s damage that aren’t event locked, while not decreasing Mozes damage much at all while FL4K’s purple tree is bugged to hell and guts their damage by half at worst.

Yes, that is hypocritical. You can’t say you don’t want one char to do something and then turn around and GIVE THAT EXACT SAME THING to another one in a more powerful package.

Not sure what the complaint is here since the OP is literally just complaining about bugs that haven’t been fixed for 2 months. And that came with a slew of other bugs on a scale we haven’t had with paid content in this game yet. I don’t see what there is to be calmed down when this is calm. All I said was the timeline for even a single fix to issues related to purple tree are ridiculous right now and I give up waiting on them to do it.

You seem to be carrying in some baggage from previous discussions into this thread, especially when the mod authors you mention are for the most part not active posters on the forums or the BL3 general discord server. The guys writing essays on this board weren’t involved with creating the mods. If you have something against either group then hey, you do you, but what you said above doesn’t really have any connection to the OP.

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#34

That’s not just an interesting point, but basically a fact that holds true for most games to some extent. Devs are bound to barely play their games due to working on them all the time and most of the time they start enjoying the player experience way after the dev cycle is closed, done and dusted. The omni-presence of a project in your life will make you blind to it just to keep your sanity. And let’s be honest: If you had to spend your working life with any game, no matter how much you love it, working on it would lessen the amount of casual and fun playtime you would invest into it.

For the same reason people like me are not opening or working in card shops: I know how it’s like to make my hobby my job. In the long run it kills the enjoyment as you start to see your hobby as work and get tunnel vision. If I slam my first edition “Forbidden Droplets” on the table to beat my opponent in a game of Yu-Gi-Oh! I want to have fun and don’t want to see the EV of it’s box and it’s price graph in my head alongside dozens of other trader info.

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#36

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#37

I’m sure the modders might be able to handle it if gbx don’t so if your on pc its all good. If not tough luck to my console brothers and sisters.

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#38

It’s a shame that the community can only offer fixes on 1/3 platforms that this game is on.

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#39

it’s at times like that I regret not to have a better pc config

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#40

@olivier_shady Not to be too OT, but my Xbone is a little more than 5 years old, so it’s time for a change, and I am very seriously considering making the switch to PC. I moved to console in the late 90s and have not had a gaming PC since that time because I got tired of having a hobby (working on my PC) in addition to my other hobby (gaming). I like the simplicity of the consoles, but I don’t enjoy the performance and feature-stripping that devs and publishers do to optimize for console.

But now with the time I spend loading and save/quitting in BL3, I probably could justify the extra money and time that a PC will take. And in addition there are the benefits that we are not allowed to discuss here. I am kind of on the fence about it but it seems to me that, money aside (because the PC is definitely the more expensive piece of hardware), whatever exclusives you have to sacrifice by not being on console, you benefit tremendously from faster speed and more variety. I am slowly talking myself into this LOL. :joy:

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#41

I don’t think the ability to mod should be a big factor in you getting a pc. Just because gbx can’t handle a game well you shouldn’t feel forced to accommodate to them. If you are interested in getting a pc. I’d recommend building it, for the price of a new console it would turn out pretty decent. Also you don’t really miss much in the way of exclusives since all of xbox stuff is on pc. Also pc gets plenty of exclusives like WoW, Age of empires, League of legends, etc.

#42

This is perhaps a little OT, but has anyone played a MNTIS Cannon build Zane? This is everything that I always thought the Rakk build should be. Kind of makes me sad for Fl4k, but damn it is a fun playstyle on Zane.

EDIT: to add that Zane even gets the MNTIS augment we have been asking GBX to give Fl4k since late last year - to make Rakkslag an augment, rather than an anointment. The MNTIS augment “No Way Out” is basically the Scorpion (from Mortal Kombat) hook plus Rakkslag.

#43

I do… he’s a Dahl allegiance, so I don’t use No Way Out (that seems like it’s made for a shotgun build). I did give it a spin to see about yoinking them into the Barrier for a stun from Deterrence Field and maybe some spike damage if I was wearing one of those with Distributed Denial (though I’m not sure if this works). I mostly use Proliferation and Brain Drain.

It is handy for seriously abusing Action Skill Start and Action Skill End anointments, but his default playstyle is to freeze enemies with headshots and Brain Freeze to keep the Barrier up constantly with Calm, Cool, Collected (which means I’m playing at a safe distance, since any ding on my shield will cause that freeze to go to shield repair and not action skill duration reset, and because Dahl). Once frozen, I’ll try to pop them with a crit from the cannon.

#44

@Adabiviak I have been running it with an ASS Frozen Heart and an Ice Breaker Otto Idol with cryo, AOE, and mag size passives (I feel like a Victory Rush would be better, but this is the best passive stats Ice Breaker that I have LOL). The results are hilarious and really, really powerful. It almost doesn’t even matter what weapons you use.

#45

What are the chances that the ENTIRE Trapper tree gets reworked (not just fixed)? I know IF WE ARE LUCKY they’ll just take a lazy approach and do to the Trapper tree what they did to the other trees, but for Fl4k instead of pets. By that I mean they’ll keep the skills as is but add %dmg for Fl4k just like they added Pet dmg across all Fl4k trees.

I’d take that over what we have now BUT I feel that in terms of new and exciting gameplay, the Purple tree won’t provide anything if kept the way it is.

Also I’m hoping there’s a Patch for January. I haven’t picked up the game in a bit and it feels weird.

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#46

literally 0%

But I do think Gearbox will make some changes as you described and will add some damage here and there to the purple tree. To their credit (uhh, sort of) Gearbox has made a lot of band-aid fixes to issues that players raised so I think there’s a good chance Flak’s purple tree will get that treatment. Though if they aren’t hearing a lot of fuss about it then maybe it’ll just be left as-is. I could see it going either way tbh, but I’ll actually put my money toward Gearbox doing something about it. Not in a satisfying way obviously, but I think they’ll do the bare minimum to show there is some remaining will to make the game better.

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#47

So I have been playing Zane a fair amount lately, because good lord, right now he is a hilariously, higher-than-Sal-and-Krieg, level of OP and it’s just kind of funny.

Maybe some of you said it elsewhere in this thread, but comparing Fl4k and Zane’s purple trees, I need to ask the following:

Can someone please explain to me why Zane’s Eraser skill was not in Fl4k’s purple tree? This is literally about the most synergistic skill they could have given to Fl4k, maybe as like a 2nd or 3rd tier skill? Zane in no way needs this skill or the damage resulting from it. Fl4k really doesn’t either, but it could have created some really interesting inter-tree synergies and more naturally seems like a Fl4k skill anyway. I don’t understand the design decisions they have made with this game. :man_shrugging:t2:

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#48

Yeah, not even getting into the MNTS cannon/Rakk Attack mismatch there is a clear case of identity crisis between Pro/Trapper trees.

Not Even A Challenge seems very Zane action skill oriented to me, simply change it from a Pet to Action Skill kill.

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#49

^ This.
Gbx somehow gave FL4Ks identity to Zane and bumped it to 11. And then they took the shield tree of Moze (which wasn’t as tanky as Gbx might have thought) and gave it to our VH. But more buggy and even less tanky.
On top of that Gbx fargot to at least take the dmg skills Moze has in her shield tree and give them to FL4K …

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#50

Remember when they combined FL4K’s two BEST COM’s, made them both better and gave it to Zane as a crutch instead of simply changing some of his skill mechanics?

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#51

Yes, I think of it way too often actually.
I know every BL has had one favorite class that could do it all. And one class that was the balanced one. Think of Wilhelm in TPS. A well-balanced class among overpowered classes. Or Axton compared to Zero, Sal, Krieg.
And ever since they nerfed FL4K early on, starting with GitM and LnT, the feeling grew in me that Gbx wants FL4K to be the Wilhelm of this game.
They accidentally made FL4K stronger than intended, so they nerfed them while Moze and Zane went on a powercreeping spree with no end in sight.

In what world is it ok for one class to be really, really, ridiculously overpowered that all other classes are not even on their radar?

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