Tribute to yoteslaya

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#18

I don’t hate him. His fanbase however while still not hate is definitely in the dislike category. My biggest beef with them is the illogical stuff they say (“He wasn’t drunk so he was good person and deserves to be put it.” Counter argument is if he wasn’t drunk why is ok that he opted to play chicken with a train all of a sudden? Yet to hear any answer on that question).

Note that this post isn’t meant to ruffle anyone’s feathers (specifically the fanbase mentioned) but to point out that there are a few who are between “Hate Yote” and “I :heart: Yote”. I’ll also do some more additional clarifying while I’m at it, I don’t hate the Yote Fanbase just because they’re his fanbase and are silly for liking him even though he died in the way he did but rather because when it seems they have rose tinted glasses on and Yote can do nor did no wrong and anyone not supporting or wanting a Yote tribute is fecal matter.
If they can at least admit to agreeing to disagree with others’ viewpoints then that’s generally enough for me to move that person from the “dislike” to “tolerate cause I can respect them even if I disagree with them” category.

#19

Faked a drop?
How in hell you could fake a drop? D:

I don’t hate Yote.
I hate what he did and ended with his life and the life of two (or more) more people. It was completely avoidable as I wrote in an earlier post.

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#20

“Clever” editing of the recorded fight and “search” of loot. That’s my best guess but as I haven’t actually watched said video (or I don’t remember watching it) it might’ve been done by a different way (3rd party program to alter actual rates to a more consistent one if only to make it easier to film and not a “I hope I don’t have to repeat everything I said again” chore)

#21

When I first started playing this game and searched Youtube about it Yoteslaya’s channel was one of the first, if not the first, to come up. As I hadn’t played BL1 I really had no idea of some of the basic ideas behind the game- like certain enemies dropping incredibly rare and powerful items. As far as where to find said items and who dropped them, his vids (faked or not) were still informative to a newbie like me. But as I continued to play the game, I did find his channel lacking in one area- how to make and master a good build (as well as the best gear to use for it). Having had an alcoholic dad I can’t say that I’m not prejudiced to judge him harshly for the way he died- drinking is stupid (IMO) and drinking and driving is really stupid. That being said, should Gearbox make a tribute to him in BL3? No (again, just my opinion). But as you can name your character anything you want, if a few hundred Yoteslayas show up in BL3 as player character names, then at least those who dislike him (for whatever reason) can stay very- VERY- far apart…

#22

I don’t hate Yote either, I don’t think he’s deserving of an official tribute by GBX like what was done with MM. If someone wanted to start a tribute thread here, that’d be one thing, but I don’t want to see him mentioned in any BL game, whether past or future.

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#23

Oh, I suspect how he could have done it…
Won’t mention about it though, obvious reasons.

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#24

I like watching his videos. He was a funny guy (although sometimes unintentionally) who clearly had a lot of love for the game. I certainly don’t hate him and refuse to judge him on a personal level. That said, even though he loved Borderlands and played a lot, his videos are full of misinformation and most of the time he didn’t know what the hell he was doing or even talking about. Yes, his videos are the first thing you’ll find when you search YouTube for Borderlands 2 content, but that’s just because of the sheer amount of content he uploaded and because he was one of the first ones to do it. That’s commendable in its own right, but those are really the only reasons everyone who plays this game knows about him. I won’t even get into the faking drops and cheating stuff because I don’t have any proof and I honestly don’t think it matters, but his videos aren’t reliable at all as sources of information on anything related to the game even if he was doing everything honestly.

Then we get to the way that he died. He was drunk, driving irresponsably, killed two other people in that accident and left his kids without a dad. Very little before the accident he actually said in one of his videos that he was stopped by a police officer for DUI. So it wasn’t even the first time he did that. That’s very different from Mamaril, who died of cancer and had a friend who reached out to Gearbox asking for the tribute. I’m not saying Yote’s death wasn’t tragic or sad. I didn’t know him personally. He could have been a good guy, a good friend and a good dad who made some really stupid decisions and paid the price for it. Everyone does irresponsible things every now and then without even realising how badly it could end. He wasn’t that lucky.

Gearbox acknowledged his passing when they released an official statement saying it was sad to see him go and that he will be missed. I’d say that’s tribute enough, given the circumstances around his death and the quality of the Borderlands material he produced. Think about the people in his family and the families of the other two people who died in the accident. Think about the backlash a tribute for him like the one they did for Mamaril could cause. Putting him in a future game, even in name only, is a bad call for everyone involved.

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#25

Yoteslayer was really the guy that made me realise how much depth there was to the game. There are better more in-depth reviews out there now but I remember watching those things for hours. As a solo player, it was like not being a part of a bigger community, I think alot of people were really hooked on the game by this guy…he should get some acknowledgment.

#26

So… you don’t really know if what you’re saying is actually true, right!

Since I didn’t read the police report on the incident, I don’t know what happened, or why. And since I’ve never seen anything in his clips that suggest they’re faked, then they’re OK in my book. I didn’t know the guy. Maybe he was a ■■■■■… or maybe not. I don’t care! Some of the thingds that we consider inaccurate in his clips today, were stuff that we simply didn’t know better at the time. Many opinions have changed about a lot of things. Keep that in mind!

#27

The Infinity guide is the most infamous example.

ON TVHM he killed Mercy in such a way that you couldn’t see any any of his drops. When he went to check on it a Level 50 Infinity was lying there, standing perfectly upright.
Problem is, the video was uploaded on Dec. 1st, 2012, long before the patch that fixed his drop rate in TVHM (and UVHM).
There was no mention of that broken drop rate in the video whatsoever, only that it could take a very long time, which is technically true but we are talking about a chance that is less than 0.0001% so he gave false hope to many players who wanted to get an Infinity themselves.

That’s all I am going to say on the matter.

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#28

Fact: the infinity was bugged and didn’t drop from Doc Mercy past normal mode before if was fixed.

Fact: he made a fake vid claiming that he got it from Doc Mercy long, long before it was patched.

Knowingly making a fake video and then making money off it (vid has well over a million views) is shady as hell and speaks tons on his character. Then when people called him out on it he calls them jealous liars, says ■■■■ these forums and bans and deletes comments and people from the video.

unless you think he somehow had a miracle drop and recorded it, then go ahead and keep believing he wasn’t a liar, among other things.

#29

Watched the video. Knowing the fact that the Infinity has a drop rate of 1/80 gajillions…

#30

He faked the drop for the Thunderball Fist aswell.

But that aside:
No, he doesn’t deserve one like Mamaril has, Mamaril died of a natural cause.
Yote on the otherhand was driving under influence and killed himself and 2 others by trying to outrun a train.

I’m not going to ellaborate on this since I’ll try to be as polite as possible.

#31

I imagine as long as people are playing BL2 and look something up, some of his vids will come up and hopefully help some people along in the game. That’s more than some mention in a game would do.

#32

tbh, dying of cancer is no reason for an honorific. its sad, but many thousands die this way every day.

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#33

He’s immortalized on YouTube with his body of work. Given the circumstances of his death that should be it.

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#34

That’s not my point. My point is Mamaril died of natural causes and it was one of his friends who personally asked for the tribute. Mamaril wasn’t responsible for his own death and didn’t take anyone with him. I’m not saying Gearbox should honor every fan who dies of cancer because that’s a more “honorable” way to go. As a matter of fact, even though it was really nice what they did for Mamaril when they did it, I don’t think this type of tribute should be a recurrent thing in every game in the series.

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#35

As far as the how or if he faked stuff but considering most of the reputable people both here in the “new” forums and “old” have said it was faked I made the deadly modern sin of assuming. I could watch it and come back if you want me to.

Quite honestly though, to me it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal in the Doc Mercy case since Doc Mercy was supposed to have a higher chance but bugs and stuff gave him the global loot pool chance IIRC. If it were something like KnuckDragger has a higher chance to drop the Bee or other mismatched boss+loot combos then it’d be a much more serious “offense”.

#36

shrug, for all we know marmill could have been quite a bad person, but what mattered was his brother’s feelings for him. yoti had/has a fan base. memorials are not for the dead, but for the living. that is all i have to say on the matter.

#37

It’s worth noting that he died with a blood alcohol content of .206%, over two and a half times the legal limit.
That he was out drinking and driving while having a pending DUI charge from a previous arrest. In his death, he also killed two other people. You can read more from the police report here: http://i.imgur.com/hYIvJp0.png

I do not believe that memorializing such a person would be a good move for any reason, and the potential backlash from such an action could be huge. Personally, I would be very offended if any company was to honor those committing felonies resulting in death in this way. I would probably boycott future products from any company that would do such a thing.

That is all I have to say on the matter. Thanks for reading.

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