Troy in 27 seconds pure dmg TVHM MH3 (NO water insta kill glitch etc)

[Slif_One (Master of Amara, Widower of Maya)]

It’s basically semantics at this point

It’s not semantics in this case, it’s not about what my opinion or definition of “cheese” is it’s about the facts regarding the game engine. My opinion on everything else you brought up isn’t relevant to the discussion of “crit swapping” as those are design flaws not related to the engine.

in record attempts I wouldn’t mind having a non-cheese, and an “everything goes” category (or exploit and no-exploits). That’s the norm in all speedrunning as far as I know.

I brought this up earlier this year and we did exactly that, the time trials leaderboards were split into glitchless and any% categories. We voted on the split, and the rules for each category. Not everyone was happy with the results but that’s how democracy works, there was no officially drawn up ruleset for the old leaderboards and a lot of rules were subject to change and had changed over the years.

I hope if a BL3 TTs ever starts up (which wont be possible so long as Mayhem Mode modifiers exist and we can’t disable GR) the rules regarding exploits will be established earlier this time, but we’ll see if/when it happens I guess.

[Sannction]

I see we’ve reached the point at which “clever use of game mechanics” is termed “cheating”. We should all use the pistols given to us in the first chest, obviously that is the only fair way to play. We should not look for any interactions in any gear or mechanics. After all, we’re being incredibly detrimental to the people we’re playing against.

EDIT: Okay I’m in a bad mood, but I stand by this anyway.

It’s not an intended game mechanic, it’s a flaw in the engine’s capabilities. Abusing that is literally exploitation of the engine, so “crit swapping” is an exploit.

You could make the argument that it could have been fixed between BL2 and 3 and is therefore intended. Not that I am, intended or not makes little difference in my mind.