#209

Are we throwing random para-political non sequiturs at Gearbox? I’m in!

Why hasn’t Gearbox committed a stance against the Ukraine atrocity?! Playing the India card are we?! Boycott!!

Im joking if it wasn’t obvious

Edit : hey now. This could be great conspiracy fodder for why we don’t have a TTW board, just to bring back on topic.

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#210

It’s text chat, but there are voice channels. For a chat room, it’s actually pretty fantastic, but for curated discussions like we can have in a forum, it doesn’t work.

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#211

@Jefe Well I wasn’t trying to make it political, but if I did, apologies. I know you were joking, but damn if everything these days isn’t political in some way. It’s really silly.

rant/

I kinda feel like - say what you want, think what you want, do what you want, and I am cool with it. I don’t have to like, agree with, or accept it - our job is just to tolerate/allow the belief/behavior. That seems like a reasonable position to me - live and let live. It doesn’t mean we have to agree, and we can be friends even if (and sometimes because) we disagree. I feel like these are good life principles for everyone. The relative validity of positions tends to get sorted nicely through public discourse most of the time anyway. Twitter and other social media companies have no business deciding the “correctness” or “accuracy” of facts or opinions. I kinda feel like Elon Musk has a point - Twitter and other socials have overstepped by moderating content. And I don’t even use social media other than I guess if you consider the GBX forums “social media” LOL

/rant

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#212

So, you’re basically arguing for absolute free speech? No thanks - that just leads to a cesspit of lies, slurs, and defamation. And facts (as opposed to beliefs or opinions) are facts. Do you really want Russia freely able to push its narrative that 9.5/10 people in Ukraine are Nazis? I didn’t think so.

BTW, Musk is being a bit of a hypocrite on Twitter’s moderation policies since he frequently blocks people who point out errors or ask awkward questions. It’s almost as if he wants the freedom to label someone as “pedo guy” without having the same label thrown back at him.

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#213

Not exactly, I just want the standards on social media to be the same as they are in the “real world.” I think Twitter and Facebook should be held to the same standards as the government if they are going to regulate speech in the only public forum where the particular type of speech can occur. I recognize the legal problems with this position, but I feel like it’s a better system than letting private employees make value judgments about the “truthfulness” of speech. People can do that themselves.

#214

Always sounds like a reasonable position until look more closely and consider that:

  1. The limitation on the US Government wrt free speech is that they can’t throw you in jail for 15 years just for calling the ‘police action’ in Korea a war. You know, unlike some other more authoritarian countries. So it’s not an equivalent comparison.

  2. “People can do that themselves” - citation needed. I would suggest that the majority already do this. It’s not the majority that cause all the problems though. And I’ve seen it happen enough to know that if you tolerate the obnoxious minority, they will just amp up the volume of bile and drive away the majority.

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#215

@VaultHunter101 These are American companies we are talking about, so they will be held to American standards of free speech.

Allowing anyone’s (or a group of people) to decide the relative veracity of claims of opinion is a really, really slippery slope. And it depends on who’s doing the deciding as well. I’m willing to risk noisy minority opinions if it means the freer exercise of speech rights overall. The answer to securing free speech is not limiting speech we don’t agree with.

#216

I know. That’s why I deliberately compared them to the US government. As I said, 1st amendment in the US is not about enabling anyone to say anything at anytime; it’s specifically limiting the Government from punishing you for matters of political opinion etc.

I’m not talking opinions, though. I’m talking provable lies, hate speech, slurs, etc. And - as far as I can tell - the restrictions imposed by FB/Twitter TOS do not relate to things which are solely matters of opinion either. Again, you appear to be engaging in false equivalence.

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#217

@VaultHunter101 We’re just going to have to agree to disagree here.

#218

That’s just it - it’s not your choice. You have no right to decide what someone else gets to say. If you don’t like what they have to say you’re free to ignore / mute / block / filter them as an individual.

Facts are easily manipulated by omission to create a narrative - our corporate media outlets have been doing that for years (likely longer than you’ve been alive).

Things are often much more complicated than you’re being told, those who want to control speech do so because they have an agenda that doesn’t allow for dissent.

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#219

Except that doesn’t work in practice. Ask the Sandy Hook parents how well “ignore / mute / block / filter” worked to protect them from constant harassment and threats (including death threats) following promotion of a really obnoxious conspiracy “theory” on social media. Absolute free speech will absolutely be abused.

But this is getting to be a major thread derailment, so perhaps time out on this. Back to Wondering about Why no Wonderlands forum I think.

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#220

Any freedom will be abused. That’s isn’t justification to limit it (especially in a nation with a codified freedom of speech). That’s how we have gotten to a place where social media is playing arbiter of truth - silencing people even when they’re right because it doesn’t fit the allowed narrative.

The courts are handling the SH thing, monetary punishment is a solid deterrent. Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from accountability.

I’ll leave it at that though.

Not really sure why there is no dedicated forum. Was thinking it had something to do with the acquisition by Embracer Group.

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#221

Not that I know of. It appears to have been solely a GBX decision.

#222

Put very very well.

#223

As far as No TT Wonderlands forum, it’s likely in keeping with the no-support support policy which seems to be how GBX is now operating. I don’t understand it. And to be fair, I acknowledge minimal support exists.

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#224

Id personally like to see an app , something like Bungie has for Destiny 2 .
If Gearbox is going to make future Borderlands games this would work .

#225

Just got this notification:

Anniversary

“This badge is granted when you’ve been a member for a year with at least one post in that year. Thank you for sticking around and contributing to our community. We couldn’t do it without you.”

My pleasure. Now what exactly is it “you’d do without me”? How about sticking around and contributing to your community by giving us a Wonderlands forum?

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#226

What’s this?

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#227
#228

There’s no wonderlands forum because they didn’t want to hear the inevitable feedback about the rip off ‘DLC’.

By setting up an explicit thread they would be in appearance committing to reviewing it or responding in some way.

Interestingly if you contact 2k they will tell you the devs do not see anything submitted via support ticket through them and direct you to the 2k forum (check it out it’s sad) where you can discuss with other forum members … so basically no lines of communication between the customers and the devs anymore, just twitter announcements - “dear sentient credit card - here’s your ‘content’, like it or lump it”.

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