Urgent Character Balancing

Let me tell you something about PvP

If you want to win most of the time, you have to throw away your pride and play the most disgusting braindead op piece of ■■■■ meta pick.

This is in every game. LoL had a broken release Diana and Ekko? Well you better ban the ■■■■ out of all of them or play them every game.

Oo look, Juggernaut AS buff on DotA ages ago. Let’s boost the pick rate to nearly 100% along with Nevermore. Play them, right click ,WIN.

Oh hey, Li-ming release on HotS. Guess who I mained afterward.

There’s nothing hypocritical about this. The whole thing is, if you have a competitive mindset, you have to purposefully pick this kind of disgusting ■■■■ because THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE PICKING THIS DISGUSTING PIECE OF ■■■■ too.

If you go into a gunfight, you bring a gun too even if you hate it and you want to use a knife. You have to admit that Gun is better and unless something is done, bringing a knife to a gun fight is a -silly- move.

No one gives a crap there’s only 25 chars atm. If one char is broken, that char needs to be brought down to the same level as the other 24. You shouldn’t be at the top because “WE DOn’T HAVE MANY PICKS SO DOn’T NERF ME I AM BALANCED WAIFU”. It isn’t fair for the other characters to get completely rekt by the same character no matter what they do if both player are of the same level. The 2 sup 1 Gal killed freaking Incursion. You’re completely fine with a char completely preventing a whole mode from being enjoyable simply because “I main her”? That’s just selfish.

For every one person defending Galilea, 3 more will rise to say she needs to die.

Edit by PH. Watch your use of language, please.

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This is exactly why i’m waiting for the next patch.

Now that i’ve played more and fought more diverse teams, i can say that some of my inputs are pretty off, but a majority of my words are still truth. Rath, Galilea, Reyna, Ambra, Miko, Ghalt, ISIC, Mellka, Kleese and Orendi needs to be toned down. They are all way too ridiculous.

Gearbox didnt learn anything all, and it’s just starting to get on my final nerves. I hope they realize the issues with their game and fix it quick.

You just listed 40% of the roster. Sounds like relative balance to me. I’m sure there will be some tweaks here and there on the high and low side.

I have no problem with the tank characters they have such big hitboxes that its easy to kill them before they can bother me, and I mainly play miko and shayne (note I play most characters just to round out the team comp) but again no matter who I am playing or what the team comp is Galilea still just sweeps with ease so if any character needs balance it’s her she is still super overpowered

Don’t agree with anything at all the OP stated. Except galilea… I’m sorry but the only way you can defend galilea is if you like playing as her. Every talent in this game that a character can be good at, she does. And does them very well. She’s the only character in the game that you cannot beat 1v1 (unless the person playing her is absolute garbage which rarely happens). The only character that I absolutely do not ■■■■ with 1v1. Any other character, even Montana, if I see them alone I’ll go mess with them. Won’t always kill them but I’ll at least occupy them for a bit and kite out. There is NO kiting from galilea. If she sees you and wants you dead… You WILL die.

If you get the drop on someone, throw absolutely everything but your ult at them before they do a single thing to you and they still win pretty much every time… I’m sorry but that’s not right. All she does is laugh, turn around, CC you, half dead before you can move even with reduced CC time, then good luck trying to kite out. And this is all in the rare occasion that she’s being a lone wolf which also is rare.

So you might say, well just don’t fight her 1v1. Okay, again in the rare occasion where you find her alone, she still consistently wins against 2 and sometimes even 3 people. That’s balanced?? As ambra (I’ll bring her up later) I was rolling around with Montana one match and we COULD NOT kill her. Two of the strongest characters in the game and we couldn’t do it. That’s not balance. It gets to a point where her health just sits there not going down, even though multiple people are damaging her, and your lifesteal is being completely negated.

The only time we’ve beaten her with 3 people is when after the first 2 go down the 3rd finally says ■■■■ it and uses their ult. Again… That’s not balanced.

Yes there’s plenty of times someone horrible picks her (usually the random on my team, someone actually went 1 and 6 with her???) and you kill her but those instances are few and far between and don’t mean that she’s only good in the right hands. 95% of our matches, if they had galilea and we didn’t, we got absolutely DESTROYED. That’s not a coincidence.

The only way I would have been okay with not nerfing her was if they left Ambra alone. She was the one character that 1v1 could hold her own or at least run away. After the balancing during the beta, ambra is a shell of her former self (I would hate to see what she was like during the CCT), which is fine. I still find her to be a great character but don’t feel cheap using her. It even feels like her beam breaks off people from them jumping around more than during the end of the beta. But galilea? I didn’t notice anything different… She still dominates.

I don’t know what exactly would be the perfect fix for her but something needs to be done. Not “nerf her into the ground” like all the galilea defenders think is the only option, but put her on the same level as Ambra. She’s still a strong character but takes some smarts to use and doesn’t feel cheap. Anyone that thinks galilea has been nerfed too hard already or thinks she’s fine, just doesn’t wanna learn a new character or have to work for their score.

One other thing… Rath nerfs?? Seriously? If anything he could use a speed buff without having to spec for it to be more of the hit and run type character he’s supposed to be. Without specing for speed it’s really hard to kite from most characters. And his ult is supposed to be powerful. His neutral game isn’t all that good, he can knock you up in the air OR choose the CC option but it doesn’t do a whole lot of damage and is plenty recoverable from. To use dreadwind effectively you usually have to throw out both skills along with it to slow and silence otherwise you’re a giant spinning “please CC me” waiting to happen. I haven’t seen many good rath players but the good ones play him like a vulture. Just circling around waiting until you’re wounded and not expecting it. That’s the only time I see rath (and myself as rath) do well and it takes some skill to get good at being sneaky. There’s matches where he seems to appear out of nowhere when you thought you were just about to win a 1v1 with someone else. That’s just smart playing. If the player just goes balls to the wall challenging people head on it usually doesn’t work out well and at low levels he’s pretty weak. But what’s wrong with using both skills and your ult to get 1 “free kill?” Besides CC, I’ve had thorn just keep jumping, melka has that shoot the ground jump backwards thing and an option for more height, ambra has solar wind options (the staff pound mutation is my favorite, especially knocking people off the map while they hire thrall lol so funny) to knock you back. If your consistently getting killed by dreadwind, I’m sorry but it’s either your own fault or a skilled rath cuz there’s so many things you can do to outright stop it or at least survive it. I would even go as far as to say that the really good Rath players don’t even use dreadwind that often since it leaves you so vulnerable and if you’re playing him right you don’t even need it. There’s plenty of times I die as Rath and realize damn that probably would have been a good time to use it since I was gonna die most likely anyway. When you’re playing him correctly and at 7+ kills and 1 or less deaths, you start to forget it’s even available since you haven’t used it yet. Its more of a panic button when you’re pinched by 2 or 3 and just wanna try and take 1 down with you. In my opinion it’s much better to use it for clearing minions and damaging the sentry because Rath doesn’t become the melee ninja machine until higher levels. They aren’t gonna mess with dreadwind because it’s a way for newer players to get some easy kills, but experienced players will be killing you without it. Let me also clarify that I think Rath is fine right now. I just meant I could understand people asking for a speed buff if you’re gonna ask for anything nerf/buff wise.

I can recognize when a player is skilled at using their character effectively… But galilea is just on a whole other level. She’s seriously the only character that makes the game Not fun to play. And all the things I described about her are when she’s not being supported by teammates, which is my problem. If she’s crazy good while being supported that’s fine, that’s part of the game. But when she’s that good by herself and a downright God with support… That’s not okay.

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Okay folks. It’s getting a bit heated.

Try to be more pleasant. Thanks.

Are you talking about earlier posts? Cuz I thought I gave a pretty rational, well thought out argument without name calling or putting anybody down?

Yes, That was a general request. Not directed at you.

Haha just checking cuz I think I was the only post in pretty much the last 12 hours

Yeah, it takes a while to read everything, sometimes we get there a bit late…Carry on, folks.

The only character I think is the most out of balance is galilea but I think the devs are pretty well aware of that now. I think miko could use some very slight tuning to reduce his healing speed as he is the hands down best medic already. Whiskey Foxtrot needs a couple of tweaks to bring him up to Oscar Mikes level. Other than that I think everyone else is pretty much spot on so far.

I can agree with most of that. Miko I’m kind of iffy on cuz most of the time when you have a problem with him it’s just the person playing him. Many times he’s easy to single in on and take out. Other times he’s a slippery little mushroom and I think I have to attribute that to the person controlling him.

I would just like to say that the decision to give Galilea a stun, slow, shield, damage, sustain and healing others is by far the worst design decision in the game. Mieko needs a small Nerf. She’s a bit too gamechanging, more so than a healer should be.

I agree with you completely like I have said the only character that is overpowered is Galilea she breaks the game and makes it not fun she just needs to be balanced or completely reworked

Galilea yes
Rath ultimate yes
Everyone else no.

Strategy and skill shouldn’t translate into being nerfed.

What’s wrong with raths ult?

I think the main issue is its so fast, you can’t outrun it. I think a nerf to speed would balance it out. Without it, he would have a harder time being an assassin.

There is a lot of options for countering it though. Anyone with a CC or knock back ability. I know I’ve had thorn with her super high jump just continuously jump and take like 50% of the possible damage. Melka has gotten away with her jump thing before. Phoebe has teleported out of it. If he’s really giving you a problem just try to always hang on to one of those abilities even if it means missing out on a kill earlier.

And if rath doesn’t spec his gear and helix for speed, which plenty don’t, he’s not that fast while doing it.

I don’t know I could see being frustrated by it at first but once you learn to deal with him, he’s one of those characters I’m never really scared to see coming at me. The good rath players you usually don’t see coming though, and that’s not the characters fault. But if you do see him coming just let him throw the first punch and waste his abilities, then CC or knock him back and MOVE like crazy cuz even If you knock him back he’s gonna come right back and hit you with some of it. Its all about surviving and making sure he doesn’t get you with all of it. If you CC him, he just wasted his ult and you can go in for the finish, or just bug out.

I’m not gonna try and change anyone’s mind but I will give advice on how I’ve dealt with him, and been dealt with while playing as him.

On another note I did hear he was super OP during the CCT. Maybe some of those players still have that version in their mind and think he’s better than he is? Cause I’ve seen a lot of nerf rath calls and that’s one I never really understood. Maybe once he gets his character specific gear he’s really good, I haven’t looked up what it does. Plus to get multiple people with dreadwind, they kind of have to get themselves stuck in a corner. And again that’s not really the charcters fault.

I played a ton during the beta but figured it was more beneficial to focus on getting good with only a few different characters and types. So I haven’t played as a whole bunch of the heroes, but don’t a bunch of them have ults that are pretty much a free kill?

Miko’s kunai hit for the Same as Orendi’s chaos bolts… just putting that out there.

Phobe is a dps machine with teleports slows and 30% dmg reduction if spec’d right. I have two friends who main her and I see them die maybe 3 or 4 times the most. They took away her stun for a reason. No she is not needing buffs -_-

Ghalt caught a nerf on the day one patch he doesn’t do as high damage but not as little as before his buff, he’s in a good place trust me.

Rath is fine… oh and still not a vampire xP/

Galilea… I’m going to put my personal bias aside for this.
Galilea Azemouzeus, the wraith of bliss… she’s kinda good… okay she’s reaaaly good. Just going to point out Miko can make his spore bomb stun for 3 secs… her healing is part of her lore if you took that away she wouldn’t be ‘the wraith of bliss!’ she’d be ‘generic sword and boredem #9999’. If you must nerf her I’d say the removal of “It’s dangerous to go alone” (as much as I did zelda quoting) and the stun on the shield being lowered to 1sec would cut her dps almost in half, remove her ranged presence and make her melee only.
… okay I tried to keep personal bias out of that one and look at it objectivly so as to keep her relevant without placing her in the boldur ‘why would you use’ pile.

Montana is only scary early game, then the everyone surpasses him in ethier dps or utility.

Isic is tanky and a good one has scary dps, still not really on my ‘eek run the fudge away’ list

Orendi is Chloe Price. You get this ref you’re cool… oh and Orendi is perfect where she is, though I’m not sure what she expects me to do with this vial of rendains spinal fluid xD

Now for my beloved Teshka Elessamorn.
I hear a lot of "why use her when marquis is a thing"
This annoys me in part bc they have a point. Marquis has a hit scan sniper that does more damage and is a pistol up close.
In stark contrast Thorn has a charge time, velocity(travel time), drop and lower damage.
This is not fair on the poor thing, however I understand marquis is the raw damage sniper and Thorn is the utility sniper. I thought of a way to put her on par with marquis, if a portion of the curse bonus damage can be used by team mates.
Not the full 25%, no way! To much. I do not want to see an Oscar Mike or Ghalt with 25% more damage ×_×.
I was thinking more like the effect Galilea’s desecrate has, just slightly amplified damage for team mates while Thon herself retains the full 25%.
This would make her a massive asset to the team if she could curse HVT’s for increased dps from your whole team.

Anyway… I’ve most likely go on too long but if anyone took the time to read my ramblings congrats on your perseverance and I hope you found somthing useful.

-A random penguin on the Internet who isn’t related to Toby… but he’s pretty cool, I’d like to meet him one day… oh yeah right bye people’s :3

Yeah she really is not fun. It just sucks that it’s almost impossible to run away from her. Not because she’s overly fast and chances are she used her CC already, it’s because she literally has nothing to fear from chasing you. Even if she runs into your whole team it’s like “oh hey guys if you don’t mind I’m just gonna clean this one up, maybe take another with me, and the rest of you… I’ll be seeing you later you can bet on that.” lol