#28

Up against Overwatch, which I admittedly know little about, the biggest thing for me was the charm of Battleborn. Many of the characters were appealing to me where very few of Overwatch’s heroes were. Also I am not a MOBA player but I’ve been interested in those games for a while and this seemed like a less detailed / beginner friendly introduction to that concept. Being more MOBA than shooter leads to more team chemistry and that makes the matches way more interesting for me. In Battleborn when I performed poorly I was double disappointed for my team so it drove me to think more about my decisions instead of overextending a thousand times.

#29

lucky you. i had a friend that worked on overwatch, and he invited me about a month ago to the closed betas, and toxic is a short Word for that kind of attitude.

say, i chose Winston, because i liked him in the trailers, and not even two minutes someone starts saying “play the meta, b1tch”, “you are playing off meta” and by the end of the match i got kicked.

i googled wth was that “meta” thing, and from what i saw, im supposed to play 100%defensively when using a tank or defense. no attacking anyone, and not using any offensive skills ever. so, what’s the point in being a mobile tower?

so, i choosed widowmaker for the next match, and someone starts saying i can’t play with her. i ask why and everyone leaves the match.

i can go on all day, i played for around 6 hours and only once i played with a japanese guy that actually said arigato every time i healed him when i was playing as mercy.

anyway, i was still going to preorder and i had my 60 bucks ready, but then they started to invade Facebook and redit, and you should see in battlenet what they think about battleborn players.

so, i brought “shoot lots of robots” and spent my evening having fun. im no longer buying overwatch.

it’s very positive you never ran across toxic guys, but if you google “overwatch toxic” youll find tons and tons of stuff about it. my two cents.

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#30

Wow, I didn’t know it was THAT bad yet I’m not surprised. Very disappointing. When ignorant fools make the “Battleborn vs Overwatch” argument they leave out the most important factor to determining the success or failure of a game, the community. CoD fell apart years ago because of the growing aggression and immaturity in the community and look where it’s at now, once the most successful video game franchise of its time now suffering from dwindling sales and short-lived communities. Albeit they still sell well and that’s another problem with larger developers, they mass-produce crap that they know the fanboys will eat up and spend as much time and money marketing a game as they do producing it - Just look at Destiny - because at the end of the day the needs of the dollar outweigh the needs of the community, it doesn’t matter them if people play the game for one year or one day so long as it sells.

Gearbox isn’t there yet, and let’s hope that they don’t get there at all, the proof is in these forums and on social media. This is why I believe if we were to enter the inaccurate “Battleborn vs Overwatch” debate that Battleborn will sell better and have a larger playerbase a year from now as opposed to the first week or month of sales which says little to nothing about the quality of a game but rather the marketing.

#31

Funny fact: Winston is meant to be played aggressively. A defensive Winston is a useless Winston.

#32

I too had some unfortunate run ins with toxic players, both in Overwatch and off overwatch. Atleast 7 of my friends attempted to get early access to the beta since we all play Hots, and when I found out I had to preorder to play the beta which defeats the point I already lost interest.
Anyway for the people who play the closed beta , thanks to a friend letting me play over his place it is horrendous. I’ve played call of duty when it was relatively new, LoL, Diablo 3 , dota 2… so im not new to toxicity. But the game is closed beta wtf getting raged at and you are just learning players is simply ridiculous you play a character once and they expect you to optimally use them in their tank/support/carry like fashions. I will say i do like some of the character designs but that is just a personal preference. The community is too reminiscent of paragon community right now where PC players just trash console players NON-stop, they will rage u, dc on u, and curse all game.
I won’t say it is all players that are toxic with overwatch, or even blizzard. But i’ve noticed this trend with blizzard becoming too toxic personally for me including how Hots has progressed as well. As for reddit… well it s reddit, but yea I really don’t understand all the hate, Battleborn is the funnest game i’ve honestly played in a long time… and I had pretty much zero expectation for it unlike games like destiny, or the division ( yes i know different genre just mentioning.). So I wish these guys the best… but I’m sticking with battleborn all the way- Thanks again Gearbox.

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#33

I’m starting to feel like a damned GBX fanboy, but I don’t understand where the animosity is coming from. Though I’m replying to you, Zab, I don’t mean you in particular, I mean the negative comments in general. GBX is trying something they’ve never done before and I applaud them for that. Hell, the original Borderlands was new when it first came out and look at how successful it’s been. Sure BB has MoBA elements, but that doesn’t mean one can’t play both this and any of the other “true” MoBAs out there like Overwatch or LOL or whatever. If you like the game, great! Come talk with us about it. If you don’t like it and don’t have anything constructive to say, keep it to yourself and go play something you do like. Jumping on the hate bandwagon doesn’t do anybody any good except for adding noise to the conversation.

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#34

I feel that since Battleborn doesn’t seem to take itself as seriously as overwatch does (from what I’ve seen anyway), it will be a friendlier environment. Throughout the 10 days I got to try it, not only did I love it but I experienced no toxicity from players. I haven’t had this much fun with a game since borderlands 2 came out. Thing is for 4 and a half of the day’s the beta was out, I strictly only played co op story missions with public players and I had fun every single time I played a mission, even though there was only two available. The game got even better when I eventually worked up the courage to try PvP. To me the game has a great balance between PVE and PvP. PVE being something to do to take a break from PVP. Overall I love this game for what was available during the beta and I know I’ll be spending endless hours in this. I haven’t had the chance to try overwatch and compare the two but after the BB beta it’s already got my Pre-order. I can see this game lasting a very long time where as with overwatch…I’m not sure but looking at how seriously some people take it competitively…I can see a lot of players being put off. I’m not putting the game down, overwatch will probably be great, but it’s player base I’m not sure
about.

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#35

The only drawback I can think of is, that it does not feature a nice open world campaign.

Even though it may lack a complex skill tree and inventory like borderlands, this could have easily been compensated with a good story, innovative quests, alternating quest/story developments depending on your decisions (imagine Fallout), and lots of funny dialogs…and of course cool boss monsters.

Combined with that huge roster this would have been a great motivator.
Just 9 missions, each with roughly half an hour playtime is not the big hype.

#36

It’s more to do with the replay value, I can understand some people might get bored quickly but I definitely didn’t, even just switching between two missions kept it interesting. Having 8/9 to switch between at full release is definitely appealing to me. with the PvP aswell, I think the story is fine the way it is set out. Just from what I’ve tried. Also take into account the additional 5 missions with DLC. A big open world campaign should be left to Borderlands. if they did that with this game, you may aswell call it Borderlands 3

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#37

My problem with BB, second time around, wasn’t boredom as such, but almost the opposite. When I participated in the CTT, I was captivated by the PvP ‘Meltdown-Paradise’, despite what I felt to be the o.t.t. nature of several characters. This was probably my first successful foray into PvP, ie I didn’t just suck big time, & felt I could contribute to the team effort. Not sure what I was playing up to the CTT, but it would have been a SP campaign game.
Come the ‘Open Beta’, I’ve been playing Rainbow Six Siege immediately prior & quite successfully, I just couldn’t get back into BB. Basically there was just too much happenin too fast & the respawns just made it feel like a ‘rinse’n’repeat’ experience.
Interesting feedback about the various communities & their relative toxicities. I’ve no experience of OW & their players, but a key component of all PvP team games is the community. I think BB is blessed with a great community, which may well prove to be one of it’s greatest strengths.
R6 Siege has a self inflicted small community pool, with mixed players that sadly include team killers & screamers, which I don’t remember at all on BB so far. Fortunately there are enough decent players to find team mates. However, what with ‘tea bagging’ & team chat insults, I’ve learned to simply ignore the more childish aspects of the minority of bad players & never to respond to toxic comments.

#38

Yeah… Ive been a big Siege player but there are a lot of scumbags for such a small player base. The biggest problem though for me is lack of content, few loadout options and clearly weak operators (Tachanka sucks). Then when DLC finally arrives it is two characters and one map, which seems ok but the only difference with characters is a special gadget. It really doesn’t change the game much and immediately you want another DLC.

At least with BB one new character can greatly change the game and there will probably be a lot more side content.

#39

But like I said in my video, you could say the same exact thing for R6 no?:[quote=“Shiftiest, post:37, topic:1373035”]
Basically there was just too much happenin too fast & the respawns just made it feel like a ‘rinse’n’repeat’ experience.
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Rainbow six is just ‘rince’n’repeat’ but for that it’s for two different teams. Maybe just because it’s fast, you see more for of this ‘rince’n’repeat’(when to both games, it’s more to it than that, it’s just easier to boil it down to that) that you state, is what you’re saying? Fair enough.

#41

This game is unique and one of a kind. I bought the game already and season pass.

That being said the game in open beta had allot of issues. I can look past them though since the game is fun and unique.

As for Blizzard. Most people are aware that Blizzard no longer makes Amazing games. They are not crap games but not at the level Blizzard was back in the day.

My issues with Battleborn if anyone is curious and I love…love this game.

No 3rd person for mele.
Match making was horrible in open beta
XB1 has way better and responsive controls over PS4 no idea why.
Gear and items felt unrewarding.
First come first server for picking a character. I would like a soft lock so I can gel with my team better.

#42

-1st person game(but I see your concern for some characters)
-It’s a beta, and me personally didn’t really have a problem after day 1
-Wouldn’t be able to give my opinion on it, no XB1 but there’s also people saying the complete opposite
-Gear and items are quite good actually, but they can’t be too good or the rng system would be unfair
-and ya, a draft pick would be nice

#43

I know we’re not here to get into comparing games really, but if I understand your response correctly, then I have to disagree with you. The 2 components that make R6 special, are the teams & their tactics, plus the destructionable environment allowing for exactly the same map & scenario to produce various very different experiences. However, my main point was how, since coming from R6 , BB seemed way too busy, fast & frantic, with no major consequences other than a respawn & run, to your play style, hence my ref to ‘rinse’n’repeat’. obviously they’re entirely different games, aimed at different demographics no doubt. I just thought it might be interesting in a topic about BB being boring, to point out that I found it a tad too exiting in some respects. :slight_smile:

#44

Thanx for the response, tho I have to disagree somewhat. Personally, I’ve found the number of ‘scumbags’ to be very small & it really mostly depends upon what time of week & day you’re playing as to who you get to play with. Sadly, cheaters/hackers is a whole other topic we won’t go into here. I’m glad you pointed up your personal disappointment with the ‘operators’ in R6 tho, as it’s not only NOT my experience, but highlights another potential weakness of BB to me. Whereas in R6, even when playing with strangers, my choice of ‘operator’ can be crucial. Think Thatcher for EMP, or Thermite for access thru reinforced walls etc. In BB tho, the characters don’t have the same cruciality to any game’s outcome it seems to me. Given that the game features a min of 25 ‘badasses’ with a team layout of 5, it’d be impossible to give any of them a ‘crucial’ role I suppose. Interesting difference in game play that I hadn’t considered before tho. :slight_smile:

#45

Miko and Reyna. If your team has one, or both, and the enemy team doesn’t, the difference is staggering. Most noticeable when on the receiving end. Tanks as well, if you lack a tank but there’s an enemy Toby you feel the difference as you struggle to push and get passed a wall of health that is guarded and defended by its team.

#46

I was looking forward to Battleborn since I first read about it a ago I think. I didn’t really like what I have seen during the beta but I bought the deluxe package this weekend anyway together with Doom. Now Doom has a lot of hate going on as well
but I am actually stoked for it. The gameplay seems to be really in your face like a tidal wave, really gives a physical vibe.

Borderlands had some of that too but lost quite a bit with each iteration. Maybe because Gearbox cut down on the Gore.
Krieg was IMO the most present and menacing character to play and gave me nice power trips.

Now Battleborn looks kinda nice, though the artstyle is too exagerted for my taste. Its also too clean and lacks any physicalness to it. I don’t see myself having that powertrip feeling in this game. I am not sure the humor can save it
cause the jokes so far where kinda lame and the wrong kinda stupid. Nothing like the offensive sick humor from Borderlands. TBH I am afraid Battleborn is stealing the title “My first FPS” from Halo. It feels like it has been made for
children.

Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t come here to badmouth the game. I came here looking for some guides to prepare myself for the release and spark my interest. This is just my first impression. Its also not the first time I had a strong adverse reaction to something I later on loved very much. So hopefully this game will grow on me too.

#47

Like with any game the best way to find out is to try it, best I can say. I found it highly addictive trying to find the best gear and way to level up certain characters and got pulled in that way from the beta. Before the beta I would have probably not cared about any of these MOBA shooter games but this one showed me why there is a market. I like the characters a lot as well… the humor works, it’s just some flavor in the background to the mayhem going on.

As far as darker games I really am waiting on a new Battlefield or gritty tactical shooter, I’ve been done with COD since Ghosts. Escape from Tarkov looks interesting to me but not sure if it’ll come to consoles. Looking at getting a gaming computer in the next few months.

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#48

Yeah, I’m with you there MXN, it does have a childlike feel to it. I’ve always been really annoyed with Phoebe, coz she’s SO like a Disney Princess. Come to think of it, Marquis isn’t far off Jiminy Cricket! It’d be interesting to get the Devs take on which demographic they’re aiming at, coz it feels way younger than BL.