#11

Another example, storywise:

Many have said (and I agree) that it doesn’t make sense for Lilith to give Sanctuary to Ava.

However, when she does so, she says “be ready”. Then you go to her room, and Tannis says something to the effect of “well that would mean”…and implies that Lilith knew this (or something like it) was going to happen.

So, I’m saying it’s possible that the decision did make sense to give Sanctuary to Ava --because of what Lilith (and Gearbox) know is coming next. (And if they do a good job, it’ll all make sense when to us the dust has cleared and we have all of the DLC content).

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#12

I agree with your major points here. We don’t have the major picture to look at and probably won’t have that for some time. For me, that’s okay, I’ve got plenty of things to do besides stir up nonsense on the forums.

However, It disappoints me to see streamers playing bl3 and rigorously bashing it the entire time. It sounds like a broken record at this point, “rare spawns” “better anointed gear” “this gear is trash” “was this ever tested??”

It pushes a narrative that this game is terrible. It just gives more bad press, and bad press is what’ll end the Borderlands series because you can’t make money if nobody buys it because the streaming community said it’s garbage.

Anyways, that’s my opinion, based solely on listening to streamers for a week who had over 100 viewers.

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#13

As a long time player of the series, I, for one, can comfortably say, it might be time to end it. If this is the case, it’s not because of “bad press”, it’s because of bad games. I don’t think they will end it because people continue to like, follow and obey, but from a quality perspective… it might be time.

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#14

I think you give gbx too much credit sure they might have some vague idea but so far except with the dlc alot of it has ranged from ok to poorly executed.

#15

Im genuinely amazed that someone likes slamming and Slam related relics. To choose a slam relic over Elemental Projector, Ice Breaker, Cutpruse, Snowdrift feels very odd to me. To have yourself open for an attack after that excessively long and awkward recovery period, to do miniscule damage, having to actively search for a higher ground, awkward vaulting/unvaulting mechanic screwing up the slam. The times when it looks like you should be able to slam, it just doesnt happen, maybe because you pressed the slam button too early. Only times I use slam related stuff is with a combination of Cutpurse, since it will refill your magazine (like launch pad). I can see slam as being an interesting mechanic for super casual people that dont go beyond TVHM, no mayhem. But to each their own I guess. For me slamming is an awkward, unrewarding gimmick and I personally would wish to be able to have an ingame menu where I could remove anything slam related from my droptables so I never see that stuff again. Same goes for many other legendaries like Woodblocker etc.

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#16

Depends on what you are optimizing for: killing efficiency or ‘fun’. Subjective stuff…

Also - one might not even have these other things you mention, while slam/slide relics seem be raining from the sky. Some folks play BL in “use what you find” mode, and not farm much.

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#17

The ‘abstract’ idea is what has actually been part of what I do not like about BL3 as much as the previous. Do not get me wrong, the Jackpot DLC nailed it and is my second favorite DLC behind Dragons Keep. However when it boils down to the main story my rankings go: 1) Bl2 2) BL1 3) BL3.

BL3 is a cluster and former shell of what it used to be story and humor wise. Sure they can wrap the stories up in the DLC’s, the first two games didn’t have to.
BL3 tries too hard to do two things,…
1st off is to offend nobody (except maybe streamers?)
2nd is that they tried waaaay to hard to be funny when the other games just made humor flow.

#18

It’s a very good point.

#19

I used spark plugs in Impound Deluxe to round up enemies, zap their shields and kill them quickly on M4 TVHM, as well as airborne bonus dmg anointed gear.

Also with the low gravity there the slam effect allowed me to time my descent. Which could have helped me dodge shots, but who knows, I use a Transformer.

I didn’t even get put into FFYL and I had a great time. I get that you don’t find spark plug or any other slam artifacts fun, or viable and that’s fine. I had a great time using it in and yes, in Mayhem 4 TVHM.

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#20

It’s all Claptrap’s fault. We should be hating on him. Since he set Sanctuary on fire, we had to vent the cargo hold and lost the jet packs that would have made slams great. Maybe we’ll swing back around and pick them up in a future DLC. Who knows.

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#21

The sirens have some sort of spiritual bond that can transcend time space don’t they?
Otherwise Lilith was high when she did that.

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#22

I think that any experiments that the devs want to do with interesting game mechanics in the present or future would get my vote…

They have done real good work in this regard already. Hard to find specific items through play, better to trade, but I’m not playing that record for my points…

From looking at an array of loot… I think there are so many viable play-style options even now - maybe not maximum dps but who playing M4 regularly is struggling anyway…

Many interesting variations will be brought about just by being able to assign points in, as yet, untapped skill trees…

I’d love to see ways of improving slide or slam skills with skill points on all character…

Think the title applies to everything, even the devs…

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#23

Leave Claptrap alone. He literally saved Sanctuary with his ass. The fact he caused the issue he stopped is irrelevant so no point bringing that up.

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#24

*His magnificent ass

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#25

Using slam to descent quicker is legit. Spark Plug is also the only slam relic I enjoyed using, but only in cases when enemies are yet still to spawn/appear. I can put down a couple of them and it works nicely, forgot to mention that one. But I wont use it in “active combat”. As I said, the recovery makes you vulnerable, slamming can be really awkward and time consuming depending on geography and there are much stronger M4 relics out there. I’d prefered most slam relics to be purple and not legendary, same goes for many of the guns. Too much of this stuff is quite worthless and just creates too many additional layers of RNG for loot to drop. They dilute the droptables too much making it much harder to get legitimately good relics like Elemental Projector Victory Rush for example. So if you’re going to farm Victory Rush from its dedicated loot source, you might spend dozens of hours just because of all the additional trash that has been labeled as “Legendary” even though theres nothing “Legendary” about it. Thats my main problem with it. The dilution of droptables.

#26

He did also save Pandora from the evil Handsome Jack, with his bare hands.

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#27

The problem with this is that many players won’t continue on into the DLC, meaning that as far as they’re concerned, the story was bad. If you have to make something good by using DLC (or a sequel), you’ve already failed.
That’s why many players are upset with the story, because it feels bad right now and they don’t want to have to wait for it to be fixed later.

#28

Why choose? I carry multiple relics and swap between them as and when I need.
That’s the benefit of playing solo, I can pause the game at any moment and adjust my gear for the current situation. I can even change my action skills and their augments - like with Amara, I can swap between electric, fire and corrosive elements for my action skill damage - if I have to.

I found the recovery annoying, but depending on how many enemies are around you, it can be worthwhile. If you hit them all with slam, you can recover fast enough to maintain your attack.

I like slam. It feels rubbish after spending time playing TPS, because that game used OZ kits that allowed you to use boost and to slam better, (Seriously, at Level 50 in TPS I do over 15K slam damage, in B3, I do just over 1K.) but it’s still useful in B3. I can find myself high up and use a powered up slam, then swap to loaded dice while I finish them off, for example.

#29

All that means is “it could get better, it could get worse” which is true of any game with periodic updates. Let’s face it, by that statement it could be remembered as “the game that killed the Borderlands franchise” as much as anything good.

For all we know Mayhem 2.0 could be even worse than what’s there now because the Devs are definitively out of touch with a lot of their playerbase. Modifiers like this aren’t exactly new and GBX still managed to upset a lot more people than was necessary for a system like that. They already nerfed Mayhem 1-3 after all. Then they pumped out Mayhem 4 which is just bullet sponge city an dperhaps even more hit and miss than Mayhem levels 1 to 3 were.

There’s no reasonable grounds to hope or believe they’ll do any better until we see it happening. The simple truth from my perspective is this:

I didn’t buy the Season Pass. The game could be put on life support by GBX tomorrow and I’m free and clear. I also still have leverage by not giving them money for content until they get the game in order. If they do then I’ll be more than happy to spend more money with them provided I’m not already invested in some other game by that time. Otherwise? One day in the future when it’s on sale for next to nothing I’ll pick up the DLC and play through the campaign stuff to fill in a rainy weekend.

Basically speaking I can’t really lose because I didn’t spend money in advance.

The fact is that If players have to generate their own hope by wildly speculating what might happen to make it good then that’s perhaps even worse than speculating that it won’t because it’s getting your hopes up laving yourself open to more hefty disappointment.

Perhaps that’s a sign to close your wallet until the developers do what it takes to make it sensible for players to spend their money on the game again?

#30

so essentially, you’re saying is “wait a year before you buy your game if you don’t want to be a unpaid QA tester”.

what GB is calling events, i call focus tests.

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