There’s a lot of queer team members at gearbox.
There’s a big trope queer people have loathed for years in media known as “bury your gays”. This is when a show movie or other form of art has 2 gay characters and kills one. It’s rather common.
Let’s also realize, BL2 Fridged a man for a woman’s story. Sometimes it’s kinda fun to flip the script.
The person I quoted implied that because other games have representation some should be fine with that. That is wrong, as it can be turned around and shown to be ridiculous.
I’m fine with BL3 and its toons. But I’m not fine with the attitude on display.
What? Correct?
Your argument for the lack of a traditional male heroic figure was that real men aren’t actually like that. How many saucy bartenders with Moxxi’s figure do you know? or brilliant mechanics who look like Ellie? or even people who wield cosmic elemental powers who martyr themselves for the sake of the universe? Asking for a token male character that doesn’t perpetually have egg on his face in this story that is driven by strong female characters isn’t too much
You’re really going out of your way to mischaracterize what I actually said.
I feel sorry for you if that’s how you really feel. If you really haven’t had a paragon male role-model in your life that’s a real shame and you have been denied a very important type of person in your life.
There are a lot of men who also bleed toxic traits, just like there are a lot of females who do. But there are a lot of manly men who also don’t that can be looked up to. Just as a couple quick examples that come to mind that are universally known, Steve Irwin, Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers.
If only the thought police were real right?
No you didnt say 1… but at what point is there enough representation? is 2 enough? And what does it matter that other games have characters I can connect with when I’m looking to play BL3?
So before you balk at the imprecision of the number I used, and start thinking I’m setting up a strawman think more deeply about your words. The attitude you display isnt helpful. There’s plenty wrong with it beyond the numbers.
About 2/3rds of those guys don’t really fit into borderlands, though, do they?
plenty of others. They should be fine. Thats the wrong attitude. Wrong way to deal with someone feeling underrepresented.
You gotta be able to keep up here, there’s a lot of nuance. You made a claim that the hyper masculine archetype of a whiskey drinking, cigar smoking whatever guy was the “ideal” male hero when you said
Whose ideal is this? That’s not different from saying, “anything else is incorrect,” because it’s not ideal for everyone. Maybe to you, but that’s not my ideal and I’m not going to accept it as such.
Steve Irwin, Mr Rogers, and Bob Ross were all phenomenal on the Epic Rap Battles of History and I do look up to them.
But most men I’ve met in the real world are low key or high key terrible 
that’s just my experience
heck no, as I said before Borderlands is fine as it is. I mean, it’s Borderlands, not some important meta-narrative for society. Although I do want a diamond pony…
That’s utter nonsense. There’s no “very important type of person” in anyone’s life. Everyone in our lives is important as they are, and no one is hurt by not having a “type of person” in their life.
my experience is most people are low key or high key terrible regardless of twig and berries lol.
echo chambers are good for society then?
I’m really not bothered by it. I didn’t write the game, I didn’t write the backstory for the characters I simply play it because I appreciate the universe the people who did write it created. How they chose to develop their characters is theirs alone to control. Besides if I did write it I would certainly appreciate payday more than I do now.
What’s with people in this thread misrepresenting what I’ve said?
Where did I say that?
“no one is hurt by not having a “type of person” in their life.”
It’s important to have as much variety of positive influences on your life as possible, only having a very narrow band of specific positive traits in your life is not optimal for you to grow to your full potential much like only hearing a narrow band of opinions echoed back at you is not optimal for your growth.
Well, they are pretty dumb and whiney. Rhys has taken a big step back from his tales days, Vaughn has basically become that cow from back to the barnyard (also voiced by Hardwick) only dumber, Bricks answer to everything is punching it or punching it harder. Hell, even Wainwright (whom I love btw, by far my favorite of this game) will gawd damn enjoy his puzzles over being efficient.
This is still seriously steamrolling? I’ll say it a third time, WHY does the sexual orientation of NON-PLAYER CHARACTERS have anything to do with the immersion of a game that solely involves shooting and punching people/things?
This ain’t Mass Effect or Dragon Age, romance options don’t even exist in Borderlands let alone have any impact on story or gameplay. If that DID factor in, I might very thinly buy the argument that its immersion breaking if all the romance options were gay or even bi only.
But it doesn’t factor in. You don’t get a “Hammerlock is gay” debuff after learning he’s in a relationship with a man and suddenly all male enemies deal an extra 20% damage to your character. The sexuality of the secondary characters and even the main ones also has ZERO bearing on the way the story plays out.
Everyone here since I left the threat last night has been drawing up representation as an issue, but that’s not the OP’s argument. He’s talking that having so many gay characters just existing in the game “breaks his immersion”, yet neither he nor anyone else here has given any evidence as to how that’s a factor. Playing as Roland in 1 or Axton in 2, what bearing did their sexual orientation have on their gameplay or on the story? Or Lilith or Maya for that matter? We don’t even know the sexuality of the current Vault Hunters, only the gender identity of one because they’re a robot. So if the main player characters don’t affect it, how do the secondary ones? Not one person here has given any evidence to a logical answer to that question.
This is a FICTIONAL universe with standards that don’t apply to the real world population and values. We don’t have a literal sickness that makes all the people afflicted crave eyeballs and building meat bicycles out of their victims. We don’t have people that randomly inherit cosmic alien superpowers that then become seen as potential property for mega-corporations. Applying your real world comfort zones here would be literally impossible at base, since you’d be killed by Psychos or the local wildlife long before you could feel put out by someone’s sexual orientation or anything else.
Oh right, the OP also wanted to know why Moze “can’t look good” and can only have manly haircuts, but that’s not even an argument, just nitpicking cosmetic choices that again have no bearing on the gameplay or story.
This is nonsense, and not at all what I said. There’s nothing wrong with having a diverse group of people in your life.
However, you’re not going to convince me (or anyone) that they NEED a hyper masculine male in their life to “grow to their full potential” Just like no one is going to be convinced they need a hyper masculine female in their life to “grow to their full potential.”
That’s all just a bunch of pseudo intellectual nonsense, and still no where did I ever even imply that:
Please stop trying to misrepresent what I say. It’s tiring.