#16

They drop on a regular basis around my characters. I probably miss them sometimes, but I can honestly say that I get one or two on pretty much every single playthrough. Not Weisenheimers exclusively, but also Backburners, Storms and Wellness.

I didn’t include the weighting at all. I simply meant that there are one non elemental, and four elemental. I was counting on the rest of you guys to lay down the actual numbers. But my point still stands… It’s not a rare gun!

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#17

Created: ‎Monday, ‎July ‎10, ‎2017, ‏‎3:21:06 PM

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Been farming Buttstalion a lot and I’m still looking for lots of other gemstone guns. Coincidentially Hyperion smgs with maliwan barrels is one my most complete sets for elemental non-maliwan weapons.

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#18

Oh how I hate this thing and it’s all because of the misinformation but that has been elaborated enough as is.

Now a big problem is how people try to make out the Diamond the rarest guns evur but that is neglecting that this is only the result of going throw several gear checks. Is it an SMG? Is it from Hyperion? Does it have the Maliwan Barrel and a Corrosive Element?

Of course it’s going to be rare but as mentioned it’s only a specific combination of parts that got a unique title depending on manufacturer and element. Thus, it would be no different than trying to get a Diamond Thinking with an Hyperion barrel and an element like corrosoive you really want, it just doesn’t have a unique title.

Additionally, the Weisenheimer is only one of 19 variants of the same family which are roughly the same in rarity, Maliwan aside as they are always elemental and thus more likely to fit into these very specific result. This also makes them the only “Weisenheimer Family” variants that can drop as white gear.

These are all possible variants:

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Chances are, people have found most of these but paid no mind to them because ultimately, they aren’t special, they just have a fancy title. No doubt the Weisenheimer feels the rarest of them if you specifically want that one but that’s also no different that farming the BNK-3R and hoping for a Sham. Of course it will feel rare when the other drops just make what you want harder to get even though they all have the same rarity.

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#19

I’m wondering if it have to do more with name than rarity. I mean, when getting into farming, there is learning curve to recognize good parts that spawns on guns. - So for people that haven’t gotten into that part recognition deal all guns might as well look same and easy to get. But with exception of parts that appears to be unique and interesting, as there should be things that should be easy to pick up. So I guess maybe the reason for the status of Weisenheimers rarity is it’s unique name that makes it easy to remember.

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#20

They are decent weapons too. The Maliwan barrel gives some nice elemental buffs, so there’s reasons to look out for it.

Honestly I hear it raised as a joke these days far more than a real assertion.

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#21

The table a few posts above this one is correct for BL2. However, in TPS there are a few new variants thanks to the addition of cryo and old-Hyperion and Scav guns (Bandit guns and the slag variants are removed, of course).
I’ve had a combined table for a while now (still need to correct a few errors in the post and expand it, though), and I think this thread is a good place to re-post it … let’s see if the code tag still works for pseudo-tables (the post preview looks broken). If not, I’ll have to file a bug report somewhere.

Edit: thanks forum, it looks exactly as broken as in the preview. Let me figure out a workaround… how about alternating periods and spaces to keep the forum from reducing multiple spaces into one?
Edit2: still doesn’t work because it doesn’t consistently use the monospace font, messing up the alignment. Do I really have to make a picture? I didn’t want to because searching for text in pictures isn’t possible (at least not with today’s common software), and copying text out is just as hard.

Element   | Manufacturer
----------| Bandit | Scav     | Dahl     | Hyperion-new | Hyperion-old | Maliwan     | Tediore
Corrosive | Barfy  | Tangy    | Scorpion | Weisenheimer | Ascerbic     | Venom       | Green
Fire      | Burny  | Spicy    | Beetle   | Backburner   | Boiler       | Provocateur | Kindle
Shock     | Shoky  | Shokking | Eel      | Storm        | Brainstorm   | Vexation    | Spark
Slag      | Slagy  |   -      | Jackal   | Wellness     |   -          | Revenant    | Chaff
Cryo      |   -    | Chilly   | Yeti     | Cooler       | Fridge       | Hyperborean | Snowflake

Edit3: whatever, have a screenshot of the table copied into a spreadsheet program. That’ll have to do until the forum is fixed.
Maliwan_Barrel_SMGs

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I’m starting to think that basic table formatting is never coming to discourse - it’s been asked for many times, but it’s the one thing that remains conspicuously absent. Polls? Sure! Tables? …

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#23

The point is not that real tables are missing, but that code blocks are broken, I just happen to (mis-?)use them for tables. Imagine some programming language where indentation matters, e.g. Haskell (nested case…of statements - the indentation decides where the choices for the inner one end). It wouldn’t show up in code blocks properly, leading to very confused programmers. Code blocks should never mess with formatting - syntax highlighting is fine, but every change to formatting can and will break some languages.

Anyway, let’s tinker with that suggestion you pointed me to in the other thread.

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Element   | Manufacturer
----------| Bandit | Scav     | Dahl     | Hyperion-new | Hyperion-old | Maliwan     | Tediore
Corrosive | Barfy  | Tangy    | Scorpion | Weisenheimer | Ascerbic     | Venom       | Green
Fire      | Burny  | Spicy    | Beetle   | Backburner   | Boiler       | Provocateur | Kindle
Shock     | Shoky  | Shokking | Eel      | Storm        | Brainstorm   | Vexation    | Spark
Slag      | Slagy  |   -      | Jackal   | Wellness     |   -          | Revenant    | Chaff
Cryo      |   -    | Chilly   | Yeti     | Cooler       | Fridge       | Hyperborean | Snowflake

Hmm, that kind of works, but it’s very fragile still. If I add a closing backtick (also applies for triple-backtick; quadruple-space doesn’t do anything), or write anything other than a newline character directly after the /code tag the format falls apart, even though the code block shouldn’t care what comes after it. Also, I’d like to hide that backtick, but that’s impossible.
All in all, the current status is the most broken forum I’ve seen to date - others have missing features, but at least the existing features work properly. This one used to work once upon a time, but now it kind of looks like it’s broken on purpose, which is unacceptable.

Edit: Hang on, there’s another reply in the other thread. REAL TABLES HAVE ARRIVED! Code tags are still broken, but at least I don’t need them for this anymore.

Element Manufacturer
Bandit Scav Dahl Hyperion-new Hyperion-old Maliwan Tediore
Corrosive Barfy Tangy Scorpion Weisenheimer Ascerbic Venom Green
Fire Burny Spicy Beetle Backburner Boiler Provocateur Kindle
Shock Shoky Shokking Eel Storm Brainstorm Vexation Spark
Slag Slagy - Jackal Wellness - Revenant Chaff
Cryo - Chilly Yeti Cooler Fridge Hyperborean Snowflake

Important notes for formatting: The first line must have the titles with the “|” character inbetween, the next line must consist of alternating “|” and “-” characters (at least <columns> times “-”, with “|” as separator). The following lines are considered parts of the table, one line per row, with “|” separating the columns (leading and trailing “|” characters are not needed, except when the first or last cell(s) in a row shall be empty; e.g. in my table there are two leading “|” characters in the row listing the manufacturers to keep the first cell empty). Double newline ends the table. Vertical lines seem to be currently impossible, as is configuring where which type of horizontal line is drawn where.

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#24

I’d kinda stick them with an “uncommon” tag. I always like them when they drop though, just because of their unique names. I’ve mentioned a bunch of times previously my love for the Barfy name, lol. But I also like some of the other semi-humorous name combos that can come up like Fire Fire Burny, Pepperment (sic) Green, Guileless Provocateur*, etc. :slight_smile:

*I think this particular one was even singled out by Handsome Jack himself in an Opportunity echo log, an example of a gun coming from “those war hippies” at Maliwan. :slight_smile:

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#25

My personal favourite in that area would be the “Acurate Akurate Smgg” from our friends in the Bandit camps. Hyperion barrel with the accuracy prefix. Gotta love that one! :rofl:

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#26

How about a “Spot-On Spot-On” then (it’s the same combination, just made by scavs instead)? I actually found that combination once. :smiley:
The Dahl snipers can have hilarious names too: Night Scout, Frozen Terror (this prefix requires TPS), Surgical Strike, …
There are many more, too many to list them all. Just think of what you can construct with a Thinking, Development, Anarchist, Fighter, Delivery, Session, Hero, Vanquisher, etc.

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#27

The really funny thing about this particular prefix is that it’s on a Bandit gun. Bandit guns aren’t exactly famous for their accuracy! Although this one is fairly decent…

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#28

Another favorite. :slight_smile: My pet theory is that Tediore borrowed the naming team from Bandit on that prefix…

Their SMGs are generally fine for accuracy in my experience. A bit less than other brands, but still plenty good enough.

Looks like I should keep an eye out for a Yeti in TPS. The Dahl names on that table don’t normally grab my attention, but that’s a good one!

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#29

Double Penetrating Ukempt Harold with Torgue grip is a royal pain in the ass to get since if it doesn’t have the Torgue grip it’s useless.

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#30

From my experience (as a compulsive-ass looter) I’ve never thought of the Maliwan-barreled Hyperion SMGs as that much more rare than it actually is. As many have said, only because of its unique name does it have the perception of a rare gun - and honestly, it’s more likely you find a elemental-infused Projectile Convergence (a type of Hyperion SMG that you’re most likely to see between it and its bretheren Presence, Transmurdera, etc.) than it is a Backburner for example.

I do like how this only happens with SMGs though. You still get titles like the Calipeen with Jakobs weapons with a Maliwan barrel (yes I know Jakobs weapons as a whole are non-elemental).

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#31

Really??? Useless??? :rofl: I’ll go along with it being less powerful, but… Useless??? :rofl:

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#32

This post pleases me. When I hear you saying it about the Landscaper I’ll know you’ve truly seen the light :grin:

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#33

Ok may’be not useless but still when you farm so much for it and it doesn’t have it finally.

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#34

You don’t know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master, and forever ridicule the Landscaper.

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